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  Reply # 800706 17-Apr-2013 09:14
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NZtechfreak:
Indio: What's the latest on availability of HTC-One in NZ? Still the end of April or has it slipped further?


I don't think anyone has a solid answer to this right now. April 24th seems to be when the next wave of stock is due, but I don't think any of that will reach our shores. I doubt we'll see it before May, and probably more like mid-May the way things are headed.


Thanks. In a perverted way, I suppose it can be viewed as quite a cunning marketing ploy to create excited expectation in the market place.

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  Reply # 800715 17-Apr-2013 09:28
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Indio:
NZtechfreak:
Indio: What's the latest on availability of HTC-One in NZ? Still the end of April or has it slipped further?


I don't think anyone has a solid answer to this right now. April 24th seems to be when the next wave of stock is due, but I don't think any of that will reach our shores. I doubt we'll see it before May, and probably more like mid-May the way things are headed.


Thanks. In a perverted way, I suppose it can be viewed as quite a cunning marketing ploy to create excited expectation in the market place.


Somehow I don't think that is how it is working out for them. I'm seeing a lot of people abandoning their One orders as they lose patience with the delays. Most are going to the S4, some are going for others like the XZ or Butterfly (FWIW, if you're losing patience with your pre-order don't get an XZ, I implore you).




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  Reply # 800722 17-Apr-2013 09:38
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NZtechfreak:
Indio:
NZtechfreak:
Indio: What's the latest on availability of HTC-One in NZ? Still the end of April or has it slipped further?


I don't think anyone has a solid answer to this right now. April 24th seems to be when the next wave of stock is due, but I don't think any of that will reach our shores. I doubt we'll see it before May, and probably more like mid-May the way things are headed.


Thanks. In a perverted way, I suppose it can be viewed as quite a cunning marketing ploy to create excited expectation in the market place.


Somehow I don't think that is how it is working out for them. I'm seeing a lot of people abandoning their One orders as they lose patience with the delays. Most are going to the S4, some are going for others like the XZ or Butterfly (FWIW, if you're losing patience with your pre-order don't get an XZ, I implore you).


Is the Xperia Z no good? I thought it might have a niche being waterproof and top end.




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  Reply # 800727 17-Apr-2013 09:41
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The Z is good, except that I personally didn't like the feel of the device - quite hard edges. Also, the menu bar (home, back and menu) takes up real estate on the screen.

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  Reply # 800730 17-Apr-2013 09:52
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NZtechfreak:
Somehow I don't think that is how it is working out for them. I'm seeing a lot of people abandoning their One orders as they lose patience with the delays. Most are going to the S4, some are going for others like the XZ or Butterfly (FWIW, if you're losing patience with your pre-order don't get an XZ, I implore you).


I understand about the frustration, especially when even HTC can't provide any information. The wife couldn't be bothered waiting so she went out yesterday and grabbed herself an iPhone5.

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  Reply # 800731 17-Apr-2013 09:54
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heavenlywild: The Z is good, except that I personally didn't like the feel of the device - quite hard edges. Also, the menu bar (home, back and menu) takes up real estate on the screen.


One of my work mates got this phone. I quite agree that yes the phone is good, but the feel of the device..well, it left me wanting more.. i didnt like the edges as noted - i prefer smoother and a bit curvier as its more aesthetically pleasing - eg Samsung GNex.

And the best point about this phone is indeed that it is waterproof. So I would only recommend it to adventurers who want to take this phone with them to the wild.

Dont get me wrong, the phone is good indeed. But there are other phones out there that are better

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  Reply # 800749 17-Apr-2013 10:14
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hairy1:
NZtechfreak:
Indio:
NZtechfreak:
Indio: What's the latest on availability of HTC-One in NZ? Still the end of April or has it slipped further?


I don't think anyone has a solid answer to this right now. April 24th seems to be when the next wave of stock is due, but I don't think any of that will reach our shores. I doubt we'll see it before May, and probably more like mid-May the way things are headed.


Thanks. In a perverted way, I suppose it can be viewed as quite a cunning marketing ploy to create excited expectation in the market place.


Somehow I don't think that is how it is working out for them. I'm seeing a lot of people abandoning their One orders as they lose patience with the delays. Most are going to the S4, some are going for others like the XZ or Butterfly (FWIW, if you're losing patience with your pre-order don't get an XZ, I implore you).


Is the Xperia Z no good? I thought it might have a niche being waterproof and top end.


I love my Xperia Z, I have no issues with it, I cant quite understand the hate

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  Reply # 800756 17-Apr-2013 10:23
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theUpload:

I love my Xperia Z, I have no issues with it, I cant quite understand the hate


Battery life was a big issue for nztechfreak when using the XZ I think? Which is a pretty huge issue imo.

Actually thats probably the last thing that could tip me back from HTC to the S4 again... if there's a significant battery life difference...

Reviews have them pretty close, with browsing time in favour of the One - which to me is better. Also another factor is a lot of reviews put the One on top with call quality and clarity.

I must say, like it or not the S4 marketing with the online 'queue' for the release is looking highly effective... Where's the HTC marketing at? Keeping quiet till they know when the device can actually be purchased I guess..

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  Reply # 800758 17-Apr-2013 10:25
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Kalaren:
theUpload:

I love my Xperia Z, I have no issues with it, I cant quite understand the hate


Battery life was a big issue for nztechfreak when using the XZ I think? Which is a pretty huge issue imo.

Actually thats probably the last thing that could tip me back from HTC to the S4 again... if there's a significant battery life difference...

Reviews have them pretty close, with browsing time in favour of the One - which to me is better. Also another factor is a lot of reviews put the One on top with call quality and clarity.

I must say, like it or not the S4 marketing with the online 'queue' for the release is looking highly effective... Where's the HTC marketing at? Keeping quiet till they know when the device can actually be purchased I guess..


Battery life you say??


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  Reply # 800762 17-Apr-2013 10:31
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theUpload: 
Battery life you say??


Subjective of course, NZTechFreak is among the more demanding use case, others will find it suitable. There may be other reasons he is suggesting not to get the XZ.

As for the One, I wouldn't want to be in HTC's shoes, they can't seem to get anything to line up at the moment, perhaps the reason behind a lack of marketing, you can't push something that doesn't exist, especially with uncertainty of when it will be available. 

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  Reply # 800768 17-Apr-2013 10:36
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NzBeagle:
theUpload: 
Battery life you say??


Subjective of course, NZTechFreak is among the more demanding use case, others will find it suitable. There may be other reasons he is suggesting not to get the XZ.

As for the One, I wouldn't want to be in HTC's shoes, they can't seem to get anything to line up at the moment, perhaps the reason behind a lack of marketing, you can't push something that doesn't exist, especially with uncertainty of when it will be available. 


The battery is fine on the Z and it even has a built in battery saving mode, something Im not sure the S4 or the One has

I'm just getting pretty miffed at people making off had dismissals about reasons why they won't get the S4,  HTC One or the Z based on stuff they havn't tried before. Whose to say your usage is the same or worse than NZTechFreak? Was his usage typical ?

I was all for the  One but the delays got to me and I went for the Sony and im glad I did, theirs nothign wrong with it and it annoys me that Sony gets given a back seat in the Android world due to the success of Samsung.

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  Reply # 800769 17-Apr-2013 10:38
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You might be satisfied with the XZ battery for your use, I have no issue with that. It's battery life is demonstrably inferior to most of the other important high-end phones out there however in a direct apples with apples comparison (comparing the exact same use over all handsets, my use as it happens - my use definitely isn't generalisable but it doesn't need to be since I actually use all the handsets so can place them relative to each other). FYI, the screen you have shown doesn't really prove anything unless it is accompanied by a screen shot showing the screen-on time (I don't mean that to be confrontational, only to give you a better and more meaningful way to demonstrate your phones battery).

There were a number of other reasons too - the worst 1080p panel of any phone this year, a badly underperforming camera, older SoC, terrible loudspeaker etc. Some people are happy with their XZ and that is fine, but I am never going to recommend it to anyone when weather-proofing aside it really doesn't compete on virtually any level. Sony do not take a backseat in the Android world because of Samsung at all, FYI. They are the makers of their fortunes there, up until the Z their flagships significantly underperformed compared to competitors (they've closed that gap quite a bit this year, but they're still falling noticeably short on almost every level), despite selling at the same price points, their OS updates situation was deplorable and many people won't touch another Sony because of that (remains to be seen whether this will be true of the XZ also), their bootloader policy is also a turn-off for some. Anyone who can't see that Sony are largely responsible for their market position in the Android realm is deluding themselves.




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  Reply # 800835 17-Apr-2013 11:25
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NZtechfreak: You might be satisfied with the XZ battery for your use, I have no issue with that. It's battery life is demonstrably inferior to most of the other important high-end phones out there however in a direct apples with apples comparison (comparing the exact same use over all handsets). FYI, the screen you have shown doesn't really prove anything unless it is accompanied by a screen shot showing the screen-on time (I don't mean that to be confrontational, only to give you a better and more meaningful way to demonstrate your phones battery).

There were a number of other reasons too - the worst 1080p panel of any phone this year, a badly underperforming camera, older SoC, terrible loudspeaker etc. Some people are happy with their XZ and that is fine, but I am never going to recommend it to anyone when weather-proofing aside it really doesn't compete on virtually any level.


Yea I know my screenshot shows nothing but my experience but thats all we can go on, unless every person in the world is allowed to try each phone for a month before deciding then thats all people can go on which is why reviews annoy me, They aim at power users. Power Users are the core demography of smartphone buyers any more. Reviews need to be aimed at the common denominator and currently, to my knowledge their is not a single top end smartphone that can go a full two days of typical usage without needing a charge so sales men like me wills till tell every customer the same thing: Charge it every night, regardless of what phone they buy.

The Screen is still better than last years phones man, most buyers will be upgrading from a 2012 model, so I highly doubt anyone will coin off your phrase " the worst 1080p panel of any phone this year" because as humans we compare and contrast in what we have experienced, and no one has your awesome job of reviewing every phone so they wont know the difference. A 1080p screen is still better than a 720 so the majority won't really care about that will they? Its not a deal breaker.



I hate cameras so I will concede that point, but what phone has a good loudspeaker? I will admit that I have employed the AC!D mod from XDA to boost the headphone quality because as a fan of metal and rock the output was too flat.

Chipsets and Processors are redundant now days, No one could possibly feel the difference in a chipset one generation apart. Its not like Sony has a Z model will a newer chip available to sell? thats a power user point.

The point I'm trying to convey is that I believe reviews mislead the core demographic of those who will be buying they bring up issues the majority would not notice without owning every other phone or bring up issues they then have to go research to know whats been talked about. I'm not trying to discredit you in any way, I just think that all reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt and with the thought "will that point actually effect my usage"

Is your review on this  site or another I would like to read it?

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  Reply # 800843 17-Apr-2013 11:36
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I haven't yet published my review.

Although my use is power-user realm, I still think being able to say "Phone A has half the battery life of Phone B, power-users will need to rely on frequency charging or skip this phone and regular users will charge daily" is helpful to anyone deliberating between phones.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a terrible phone at all, but if someone is buying a phone today and asks my advice I'm going to recommend them the best phone, which means the XZ for all its merits is quite a ways down my list. That isn't to say I wouldn't recommend the XZ to someone asking me on an individual basis, I tailor that advice very carefully to what their needs and use-case scenarios are (would probably suprise lots of people here how often I actually recommend iPhones to people).




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  Reply # 800844 17-Apr-2013 11:37
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NZtechfreak: I haven't yet published my review.

Although my use is power-user realm, I still think being able to say "Phone A has half the battery life of Phone B, power-users will need to rely on frequency charging or skip this phone and regular users will charge daily" is helpful to anyone deliberating between phones.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a terrible phone at all, but if someone is buying a phone today and asks my advice I'm going to recommend them the best phone, which means the XZ for all its merits is quite a ways down my list. That isn't to say I wouldn't recommend the XZ to someone asking me on an individual basis, I tailor that advice very carefully to what their needs and use-case scenarios are (would probably suprise lots of people here how often I actually recommend iPhones to people).


Oh fair enough

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