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  Reply # 868743 30-Jul-2013 17:15
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Would have loved them to put their weight behind Meego and put out a first class linux phone OS, but they went with MS and WP8 and all indications are that they are in a good position and getting better because of it. Windows phone is solidifying its position as the number 3 mobile OS and is gaining devs and apps nicely.

Why should they go with the same memory hogging slow android OS as everyone else? They would have to stop all their 512 MB devices on the low end if they wanted to be seen to give a good android experience. WP8 just scales better on more hardware. Running WP8 on similar hardware (dual core, 512MB ram and 840X480 odd screen) to a low end android device is like night and day.




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  Reply # 868744 30-Jul-2013 17:16
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nathan: What did Nokia copy from Apple?


I feel they are copying the one hardware one os model, plus App Store, etc. I feel that is a good move. They can build in and already have to a degree, integration with Xbox. Good move


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  Reply # 868745 30-Jul-2013 17:17
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nathan: What did Nokia copy from Apple?


I should have used " use a similar model" then copy

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  Reply # 869264 31-Jul-2013 13:09
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paulmilbank: Would have loved them to put their weight behind Meego and put out a first class linux phone OS, but they went with MS and WP8 and all indications are that they are in a good position and getting better because of it. Windows phone is solidifying its position as the number 3 mobile OS and is gaining devs and apps nicely.

Why should they go with the same memory hogging slow android OS as everyone else? They would have to stop all their 512 MB devices on the low end if they wanted to be seen to give a good android experience. WP8 just scales better on more hardware. Running WP8 on similar hardware (dual core, 512MB ram and 840X480 odd screen) to a low end android device is like night and day.


lol what? SLOW? Try using an Android phone aye. Butter smooth, quick and responsive is the ONLY experience I've had with Android phones.

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  Reply # 869267 31-Jul-2013 13:12
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Kopkiwi:
paulmilbank: Would have loved them to put their weight behind Meego and put out a first class linux phone OS, but they went with MS and WP8 and all indications are that they are in a good position and getting better because of it. Windows phone is solidifying its position as the number 3 mobile OS and is gaining devs and apps nicely.

Why should they go with the same memory hogging slow android OS as everyone else? They would have to stop all their 512 MB devices on the low end if they wanted to be seen to give a good android experience. WP8 just scales better on more hardware. Running WP8 on similar hardware (dual core, 512MB ram and 840X480 odd screen) to a low end android device is like night and day.


lol what? SLOW? Try using an Android phone aye. Butter smooth, quick and responsive is the ONLY experience I've had with Android phones.


Exactly.  Arguing the technical merits of one O/S over another is not the point here.  The point is that Nokia are, by supporting ONLY WP8, severely limiting their market potential.  I would wager there is no technical issues making Android work on their handsets, they would be more than likely using the same or similar internal parts (CPU, chipset) as everyone else does.  "Not wanting to compete" is also a weak excuse.  

Every review I have read recently agrees that Nokia are making a great phone, and it's just a shame about the O/S.



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  Reply # 869272 31-Jul-2013 13:18
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Kopkiwi: lol what? SLOW? Try using an Android phone aye. Butter smooth, quick and responsive is the ONLY experience I've had with Android phones.


I used an S3 for a month. It was generally pretty good, but I wouldn't call it butter smooth. It was generally reasonably responsive, but there were occasionally 2-3 second pauses switching between tasks. It was pretty good, but there's definitely room for improvement.




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  Reply # 869279 31-Jul-2013 13:27
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Why should they go with the same memory hogging slow android OS as everyone else? They would have to stop all their 512 MB devices on the low end if they wanted to be seen to give a good android experience. WP8 just scales better on more hardware. Running WP8 on similar hardware (dual core, 512MB ram and 840X480 odd screen) to a low end android device is like night and day.


You must be talking about a different Android. I still have my older Xperia Mini Pro, which is quite snappy and usable with it's single-core processor and 512MB RAM. Even it's predecessor (which I also have), the X10 mini pro, with it's single-core processor and 128MB of RAM was fine with Android 1.6. Regularly using all three OSes (Galaxy S3/S4, iPhone 5 and Lumia 520), all three are imo good mobile platforms, but I find Android the most responsive and versatile, thus the S4 is my primary phone.




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  Reply # 869316 31-Jul-2013 14:32
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I expect Nokia to feel that W8 Mobile will move forward market share wise. Microsoft and Nokia is a powerful combination, a Windows phone should provide ample integration to Windows desktop, Windows OS, Xbox and a W8 phone and tablet. Get the apps out there, no reason why it won't be one of the big three, rather than a baby share

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  Reply # 869338 31-Jul-2013 14:59
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I used my friends Lumia 710 that he got on clearance for $100, butter smooth UI.

My Gnex running stock 4.3 has much better hardware yet still stutters and lags - not much though.

I would still say that Android could be smoother, but I feel that the benefits of the Android ecosystem outweigh any small amounts of lag.

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  Reply # 869343 31-Jul-2013 15:11
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macuser: I used my friends Lumia 710 that he got on clearance for $100, butter smooth UI.

My Gnex running stock 4.3 has much better hardware yet still stutters and lags - not much though.

I would still say that Android could be smoother, but I feel that the benefits of the Android ecosystem outweigh any small amounts of lag.


Of the three, Android is probably the one with the most variation - different versions, different manufacturers customisations etc - and it is the most likely to get in to a state where performance is compromised. That's not to say the others can't, it's just more likely with Android. But it's not an innate performance issue with the OS.




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  Reply # 869344 31-Jul-2013 15:13
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One things is for sure. If Nokia release something like the 925/1020 on Android, it would be bloody hard to say no to, simply for the amazing camera/features alone.

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  Reply # 869345 31-Jul-2013 15:14
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Inphinity:
macuser: I used my friends Lumia 710 that he got on clearance for $100, butter smooth UI.

My Gnex running stock 4.3 has much better hardware yet still stutters and lags - not much though.

I would still say that Android could be smoother, but I feel that the benefits of the Android ecosystem outweigh any small amounts of lag.


Of the three, Android is probably the one with the most variation - different versions, different manufacturers customisations etc - and it is the most likely to get in to a state where performance is compromised. That's not to say the others can't, it's just more likely with Android. But it's not an innate performance issue with the OS.


The Galaxy Nexus is a Google device though, so you would think it would be as good as it gets (well maybe the N4/HTC One/GS4 Google play editions are as good as it gets)



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  Reply # 869347 31-Jul-2013 15:17
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One thing I don't like about the latest Android devices, including the latest Nexus : no hardware home button. That sounds really annoying, I used it to wake the phone up quickly.




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  Reply # 869352 31-Jul-2013 15:32
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timmmay: One thing I don't like about the latest Android devices, including the latest Nexus : no hardware home button. That sounds really annoying, I used it to wake the phone up quickly.


The S4 has a hardware home button :P




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  Reply # 869361 31-Jul-2013 15:37
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I know, I'll probably end up with one of those, probably the mini once the price comes down. I quite like the size of my iPod G2.




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