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  #952585 15-Dec-2013 15:28
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I wouldn't get too caught up in the market share % alone at any given time, the market has exploded over the years so unit sales is probably more important.

Just look at Apple, their market share has been eroded by Android, however they are still selling more units than ever.

Would I like to see a Nokia Android phone? Yes I would as I'm sure they'll engineer a great phone and UI with a point of difference.

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  #952609 15-Dec-2013 17:01
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Technofreak: The rumour of a Nokia Android phone has been floating around for a while certainly well before the annoucement that Microsoft was to buy Nokias handset division.

One story was that Nokia wasn't happy with the way Microsoft was progressing the development of WinPhone.  Nokia's licence period for WinPhone was drawing to a close and they were looking at a plan B.

However perhaps the Finns had a cunning plan.  The deal for Microsoft to buy the handset division had been on the table for a while and had seemingly gone cold.  Perhaps the portent of an Android phone was just the bait to get Microsoft to clinch the deal.

Either way I don't see an Android Nokia any time soon.

However Microsoft only has the exclusive use of the Nokia name for 30 months and Nokia cannot use the Nokia brand on their own mobile devices until after 31 Dec 2015.  I'd say watch what happens after that date.  Even then I'd expect that if they do anything that perhaps they'll team up with the likes of Jolla.



As I was writing this post I found this http://gigaom.com/2013/12/11/why-microsoft-probably-wont-go-through-with-nokias-android-plans/




I would  agree but found this  and it also makes some sense if only to move users to MS apps. Be interesting to watch what happens.

I'd like to see a Nokia Android offering




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  #952708 15-Dec-2013 20:35
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jeffnz: 
I would  agree but found this  and it also makes some sense if only to move users to MS apps. Be interesting to watch what happens.

I'd like to see a Nokia Android offering


Certainly a very plausible option,  Will be interesting to see what happens.  

Personally if Nokia remained independent (i.e. not own by Microsoft) then I think there would have been a good chance of a Nokia Android phone, but not with Microsoft as Nokia's owner.

Microsoft have the right to use Nokia's name for the Asha feature phone range for 10 years, however those naming rights won't apply to some other range they may develop.  The smart phone range will run WinPhone and it's already been rumoured that Microsoft will probably drop the Nokia name from that line up in the near future.  I believe for these reasons even if Microsoft do produce an Android phone it's unlikely to be called an Nokia, but then again who knows.




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  #952742 15-Dec-2013 21:44
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The chances of Microsoft selling an Android product is more unlikely than Apple selling a Windows PC.

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  #952861 16-Dec-2013 08:13
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Technofreak:  Agreed the N9 was/is very good and runs rings around WinPhone in many ways, it's real pity it never got a better run.


So many little things still missing from WP - USB OTG, wide codec support, lossless audio (WMA lossless doesn't really qualify..), WebKit, a notification centre, multitasking that makes good use of screen real estate (Well, anything that makes good use of screen real estate, come to think of it). Meego & Symbian ended up ticking all of those boxes, so it's just a feature parity race at this point.

The Lumia 1520 ticks a whole lot of boxes that no previous Windows Phone has, so definite brownie points in that department.

KiwiNZ: The chances of Microsoft selling an Android product is more unlikely than Apple selling a Windows PC.


My personal favourite unlikely scenario in this context is Sony selling a Windows Phone with Xbox mobile on it.




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While it is unlikely that Microsoft will sell an android product, this is assuming the OS is "Google Android" as in - Android with all of Google's apps and services.

Google is really pushing their closed source services in Android these days. Almost all of the AOSP apps are far inferior to Google's equivalents and they are making it increasingly difficult for EOMs to not rely on Google services.

It would be interesting to see a company like Microsoft take the Android AOSP framework and integrate their own services rather than Google's. Essentially creating a "Google free Android".

That said though, Microsoft's apps and services will not be open source either so it could end up going the same way.

Either way, it would be very interesting to see someone successfully create an alternative to Google apps within Android.

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uglyb0b: While it is unlikely that Microsoft will sell an android product, this is assuming the OS is "Google Android" as in - Android with all of Google's apps and services.

Google is really pushing their closed source services in Android these days. Almost all of the AOSP apps are far inferior to Google's equivalents and they are making it increasingly difficult for EOMs to not rely on Google services.

It would be interesting to see a company like Microsoft take the Android AOSP framework and integrate their own services rather than Google's. Essentially creating a "Google free Android".

That said though, Microsoft's apps and services will not be open source either so it could end up going the same way.

Either way, it would be very interesting to see someone successfully create an alternative to Google apps within Android.


The current rumours have indicated that that's exactly the sort of forking Nokia had in mind - Much like Amazon's own Android flavour.




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  #967916 16-Jan-2014 08:20
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more rumours and to be honest the interface looks horrid but if its just playing mind games its interesting to watch.




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  #967926 16-Jan-2014 08:44
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jeffnz: more rumours and to be honest the interface looks horrid but if its just playing mind games its interesting to watch.


I kinda feel that way about Android in general, the interface is messy and in most cases too busy.

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  #967935 16-Jan-2014 08:59
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KiwiNZ:
jeffnz: more rumours and to be honest the interface looks horrid but if its just playing mind games its interesting to watch.


I kinda feel that way about Android in general, the interface is messy and in most cases too busy.

yes I can see how a lot would think that and most likely right about busy and maybe to many options but I'm used to it now and have a particular way I set up and use.

Although most are saying unlikely I still see this as very smart by taking out Google dependent apps, time will tell if its a goer or just marketing speak




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  #967938 16-Jan-2014 09:07
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What do you think the services piece of a devices & services company means...

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nathan: What do you think the services piece of a devices & services company means...


ok Nathan you have me there I don't know, brain isn't in gear yet only just started for cup of caffeine for day  




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  #967948 16-Jan-2014 09:17
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  #967964 16-Jan-2014 09:24
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jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
jeffnz: more rumours and to be honest the interface looks horrid but if its just playing mind games its interesting to watch.


I kinda feel that way about Android in general, the interface is messy and in most cases too busy.

yes I can see how a lot would think that and most likely right about busy and maybe to many options but I'm used to it now and have a particular way I set up and use.

Although most are saying unlikely I still see this as very smart by taking out Google dependent apps, time will tell if its a goer or just marketing speak


It  seems to me, and probably only me, but all mobile OS's be it IOS, WP8, Android, Firefox, ubuntu etc all seem to have an  identity crisis, they cannot decide if they are a mobile or pseudo desktop OS. For me and again probably only me
a mobile OS should clean efficient and very easy to use, and I mean by easy to use, that is does not need time and effort to find things. Must be very useable in the light of day and very useable with one hand. To me Android and IOS are
two handed OS's, and I know this is exacerbated by disability. WP8 is the most mobile friendly and one handed friendly I have used of late but it is still not 100% there.

Back on topic the Nokia version shown on those Pics seem very much work in progress and in some shots looks unrealistic.

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KiwiNZ:
jeffnz:
KiwiNZ:
jeffnz: more rumours and to be honest the interface looks horrid but if its just playing mind games its interesting to watch.


I kinda feel that way about Android in general, the interface is messy and in most cases too busy.

yes I can see how a lot would think that and most likely right about busy and maybe to many options but I'm used to it now and have a particular way I set up and use.

Although most are saying unlikely I still see this as very smart by taking out Google dependent apps, time will tell if its a goer or just marketing speak


It  seems to me, and probably only me, but all mobile OS's be it IOS, WP8, Android, Firefox, ubuntu etc all seem to have an  identity crisis, they cannot decide if they are a mobile or pseudo desktop OS. For me and again probably only me
a mobile OS should clean efficient and very easy to use, and I mean by easy to use, that is does not need time and effort to find things. Must be very useable in the light of day and very useable with one hand. To me Android and IOS are
two handed OS's, and I know this is exacerbated by disability. WP8 is the most mobile friendly and one handed friendly I have used of late but it is still not 100% there.

Back on topic the Nokia version shown on those Pics seem very much work in progress and in some shots looks unrealistic.


yes I can see the point with disability and hadn't really thought of it before. I did think that the one handed thing was outdated and used by those that hadn't quite got over dumb phones especially given the size of phones now, WP would appeal to those due to size, Apple being there to.

yes it does look like WIP which would point to it maybe being real as opposed to marketing gimmick.

Nathan thanks wasn't sure your point but , yes, that was what I was circling around and for that reason alone I think it makes perfect sense to do this.




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