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  Reply # 1216255 16-Jan-2015 18:20
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doubleclick the end of the Surface Pro 3 pen and it will screen shot whatever is on your screen and send it into OneNote and you can instantly ink markup/highlight/draw etc

Surface Pro 3 is as thin as a paper notebook at 9.1mm

Surface Pro with a 3:2 aspect ratio has an amazing screen which when used in portrait orientation is basically the same as an A4 piece of paper

Microsoft Reader natively supports inking on PDF files, or you can use the other Windows apps mentioned

I suggest you go try it if you think I'm full of manure.

Surface Pro 3 gets an update to Windows 10, where ink becomes native in the OS, you'll hear more about this at the Windows 10 reveal event next Thursday morning http://www.microsoft.com/windows10story

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  Reply # 1216257 16-Jan-2015 18:28
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DonGould: 
Looking at the MS product I'm up for twice or 3 times the cost of most of those tablets, but I don't currently understand the benefits.



A surface pro 3 is a full Windows PC aswell as a tablet whereas an android tablet is just that and you're limited to Android apps


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  Reply # 1216371 16-Jan-2015 22:21
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Does the SP2 have the same click with the pen for screenshot?

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  Reply # 1216383 16-Jan-2015 23:20
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networkn: Does the SP2 have the same click with the pen for screenshot?



It doesn't come with it and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work as the SP3 uses a N-Trig digitiser instead of the wacom in the SP1-2.



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  Reply # 1216387 16-Jan-2015 23:40
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nathan:  I suggest you go try it if you think I'm full of manure.


Actually I don't think you have any manure in you at all.

I posed some blunt and direct questions because I was just to busy today to bother trying to tease out issues.  I just did a bring dump after having a quick look on line and seeing quite a price point difference and not wanting to read pages and pages of crap to understand what I wanted to know.

I put them to you because I've seen you respond many times to stuff and I know how know your stuff and I just wanted the answers (which I got in spades thanks!!!)

As for going to check it out rather than just challenging you?  Well I've got a dozen stores within 10 minutes of me, but my concern is that I'll be greeted by the same idiots who just asked me dumb questions the last time I tried to look at a product like this.

"what would you like to know about that product sir", "can I help you"  - "well mate, when I'm done watching the little intro video on the screen I'll let you know if I have a question, but sadly the last time I tried asking a technical question of someone in this store they just reached for the box which had all the same information that I'd just done reading myself before you wondered up and started bothering me while I was watching a video.   While I know you're trying to be polite, a better question might have been "I know some cool stuff that this product does, can I show you some stuff, can I give you a demonstration? was there any thing particular about this product that garbed your attention, I noticed you've been looking at it for the last 10 minutes" /rant about annoying retail sales people who can barely speak English.

In short... thanks for all the help guys.  I think I'm off to have  a play with the MS one and convince myself that I want to spend that much money on what Nathan rightly points out is just an A4 pad! ( ;) )  Now I just have to wait for someone to do one of those 60 month interest free things again.






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  Reply # 1216400 17-Jan-2015 02:58
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If you're ever in AKL central, more than welcome to come into Microsoft, L5, 22 Viaduct Harbour Avenue and have a handson play with a Surface Pro 3 and have us give you a demo etc.

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  Reply # 1216427 17-Jan-2015 09:52
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We used to get at least a couple of Lenovo nano-book owners come whining on the Adobe Photoshop forum every week, because they couldn't use Photoshop.  They bought a 13 inch pico-book with a 3200x1800 screen, and without doing any research — as in having a basic understanding of the bleeding obvious — they wonder why they can't see the tool icons or menus on their new femto-book.  I found it hard to be sympathetic.

The Photoshop team eventually — as in 18 months after they fixed the problem for Mac owners — cobbled up a 2 x UI for Windows users, but only if you had Photoshop CC, and possibly only if you used 8.1.

Anyway...  If you want a serious tablet that runs Windows, and gives you a Wacom Cintiq type user experience, have a look at the Wacom Companion.  Bugger!  They have changed the name _again_ and it is now called the Cintiq Companion.  The only downside is that it cost about twice as much as an iPad! 

On the plus side it uses the fine tipped Wacom stylus (I don't know what the MS SP uses), has W8.1, and has lots of connectivity.  You can drive a 1080 projector with one.



I'd like one, but not at that price.  I'd like a Cintiq, but can't easily fit one into my work area.  Least ways, not one of the bigger ones.  Wacom do a 13HD version of the Cintiq now, that is about the size of my Intuos 4 so would fit, but I'm not convinced it would add to my workflow (I like big screens).





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  Reply # 1216444 17-Jan-2015 10:14
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SP1 & SP2 use Wacom

SP3 uses Ntrig

the Ntrig vs Wacom is more historical than anything IMHO.  Ntrig tech really has caught up with Wacom and changing to Ntrig was a purposeful decision

http://blog.surface.com/2014/05/get-know-surface-pro-3-pen/


http://www.ticktakashi.com/2014/05/wacom-vs-n-trig-modern-comparison.html

 

Microsoft addresses N-Trig concerns in Reddit response

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  Reply # 1216525 17-Jan-2015 14:21
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TLD: We used to get at least a couple of Lenovo nano-book owners come whining on the Adobe Photoshop forum every week, because they couldn't use Photoshop.  They bought a 13 inch pico-book with a 3200x1800 screen, and without doing any research — as in having a basic understanding of the bleeding obvious — they wonder why they can't see the tool icons or menus on their new femto-book.  I found it hard to be sympathetic.

The Photoshop team eventually — as in 18 months after they fixed the problem for Mac owners — cobbled up a 2 x UI for Windows users, but only if you had Photoshop CC, and possibly only if you used 8.1.

Anyway...  If you want a serious tablet that runs Windows, and gives you a Wacom Cintiq type user experience, have a look at the Wacom Companion.  Bugger!  They have changed the name _again_ and it is now called the Cintiq Companion.  The only downside is that it cost about twice as much as an iPad! 

On the plus side it uses the fine tipped Wacom stylus (I don't know what the MS SP uses), has W8.1, and has lots of connectivity.  You can drive a 1080 projector with one.



I'd like one, but not at that price.  I'd like a Cintiq, but can't easily fit one into my work area.  Least ways, not one of the bigger ones.  Wacom do a 13HD version of the Cintiq now, that is about the size of my Intuos 4 so would fit, but I'm not convinced it would add to my workflow (I like big screens).



By fluke i bought Lightroom 5 which had true "hi dpi" support (Not 2:1 downscale)




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  Reply # 1216659 17-Jan-2015 19:00
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DonGould:I hate trying to screen print on my S4 and have no idea on my iPhone5

On the S4 it's meant to be easy but the thing seems to just ignore the button presses half the time.


Have you tried using the palm swipe method? Always worked flawlessly for me.
s4 screencapture



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  Reply # 1216895 18-Jan-2015 12:31
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nathan: If you're ever in AKL central, more than welcome to come into Microsoft, L5, 22 Viaduct Harbour Avenue and have a handson play with a Surface Pro 3 and have us give you a demo etc.


Thanks Nathan!

I ended up having a very interesting visit to the local Noel Leeming. 

I found a very nice woman who could speak English well, and she was very helpful.

I did present quite a challenge.  They didn't have the tablet well set up at all.  No battery in the pen and didn't know about the double click feature. 

How they expect to sell that product, when they can't demonstrate the best feature, who knows.

I now have more questions:

1.  Is it 5G as well as 2.4G wifi?  We couldn't tell and she had no idea.
2.  How do you copy and paste, or get the marked up image out of NoteOne?  We couldn't figure that out.  We could see how to print, we couldn't see how to share.  I had been warned that the interface was not as intuitive as one might like, and that person was proven right.
3.  I am perplexed about which option I should buy.  i5 or i7?  It's Windows, so I'm just going to assume that I do need 8Gb of RAM and I'm just being a dick thinking otherwise.

I have to say that it is a fantastic product.

The woman looked at my requirements (yes we just reviewed this post) and she expressed that she didn't see another product in the store that came even close.

The pen is blue tooth and did not like the high noise environment at all.  We had some considerable trouble getting it to pair with the tablet.

The magnetic power and keyboard options are fantastic!  I don't know how much I like the power with respect to contacts getting dirty and failing over time, but this business of plugging stuff in and it not releasing is just a pain and also leads to faults.  The connector on my iPhone 5 does not excite me and I'm just seeing more and more USB micro faults on stuff all the time.


The office 365 sub that's included seemed like a good idea but I am still hating on that space.  I resent that I can't trade that back in if I can use one of my existing licenses that I have for my office.  The woman and I did have a chat about the pointlessness of not just stealing the software if you're not going to license it properly.  Clearly I don't qualify for a 'home and student' edition, but if I spend $100 on that, I should be able to trade it back and pay the difference to the commerical version that I'm meant to have.  I guess that "something is better than nothing", but it just continues to rub me up the wrong way.


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  Reply # 1216902 18-Jan-2015 12:33
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IronH: Have you tried using the palm swipe method? Always worked flawlessly for me.


Yes I have.

I have my phone loaded up with a few apps and I suspect that's hammering the CPU. 

I haven't found the gesture stuff good at all. 

Folk have commented that it's still in the 'gimmick' space, and I have to agree.

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  Reply # 1216903 18-Jan-2015 12:38
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surface pro 3 wifi see engadget link




Swype on iOS is detrimental to accurate typing. Apologies in advance.




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  Reply # 1216911 18-Jan-2015 12:57
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joker97: surface pro 3 wifi see engadget link


Thanks joker,





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1.  Is it 5G as well as 2.4G wifi?  We couldn't tell and she had no idea.

Yes both 2.4G and 5G




2.  How do you copy and paste, or get the marked up image out of NoteOne?  We couldn't figure that out.  We could see how to print, we couldn't see how to share.  I had been warned that the interface was not as intuitive as one might like, and that person was proven right.
I use the OneNote Desktop App(The one included as part of the office suite) and that has an export page option where you can export to pdf/ word among others. I assume the Modern UI app is simlar?


3.  I am perplexed about which option I should buy.  i5 or i7?  It's Windows, so I'm just going to assume that I do need 8Gb of RAM and I'm just being a dick thinking otherwise.


if you're just going to use it for note taking / light tablet use. The i3 with 4GB of ram is enough. Windows 8.1 is suprisingly welll optimized and uses not much ram. In saying that I opted for the i5 8GB 256GB SSD version as I use it for photoshop and as my laptop replacement.



The pen is blue tooth and did not like the high noise environment at all.  We had some considerable trouble getting it to pair with the tablet.


I was using SP3 in my University lectures with 250-300 Students in a room all with smart phones / laptops running causing noise and I've never had any issues with my pen not being responsive. Maybe someone has damaged the pen in store?.
I've never had to re-pair my pen in the life of owning the surface (6 months) with the exception when I clean installed my surface with Windows 10


The magnetic power and keyboard options are fantastic!  I don't know how much I like the power with respect to contacts getting dirty and failing over time, but this business of plugging stuff in and it not releasing is just a pain and also leads to faults.  The connector on my iPhone 5 does not excite me and I'm just seeing more and more USB micro faults on stuff all the time.

The Keyboard is a must if you're going to use it as a laptop replacemment!, As for the power contacts getting dirty, Mine haven't but I guess I haven't really owned it long enough for anything to happen



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