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  Reply # 1397141 30-Sep-2015 10:29
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lchiu7: No wireless charging is probably a deal breaker for me so I will keep my N5. While much faster charging might mitigate that, I have wireless pads all over the house an in my cars and I love being able to pop the phone down and charge when I want to. But that could be because the N5 has poor battery life and this was a way to overcome that. If the new phones had all day battery life with moderate use and then be able to charge quickly as they say, I might not be so bothered.

But the huge fall in the NZD has made these phones too expensive now IMHO and I think I will just keep my N5 for another year.


oh damn, didnt know they N5X and 6P wouldnt have wireless charging.

Thats the one feature I love, i 3d printed a dock for my phone with a wireless charging mat in it so just pop it into that at work on my desk and beside bed at night and dont have to worry about cables, so much easier.  Choice of faster charging vs wireless charging, i'd pick wireless every time.  so annoying.  it should be the standard to support wireless charging...


I had several wireless charging pads for my N5, so really missed the convenience of these when I changed to an Xperia. On the positive, with the new Nexus, the ease of a USB C reversible plug combined with quick charge will go quite long way to make up for the wireless omission. ie. micro USB is such a pain to use and, let's face it, wireless is very slow!

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  Reply # 1397143 30-Sep-2015 10:33
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dafman:
reven:
lchiu7: No wireless charging is probably a deal breaker for me so I will keep my N5. While much faster charging might mitigate that, I have wireless pads all over the house an in my cars and I love being able to pop the phone down and charge when I want to. But that could be because the N5 has poor battery life and this was a way to overcome that. If the new phones had all day battery life with moderate use and then be able to charge quickly as they say, I might not be so bothered.

But the huge fall in the NZD has made these phones too expensive now IMHO and I think I will just keep my N5 for another year.


oh damn, didnt know they N5X and 6P wouldnt have wireless charging.

Thats the one feature I love, i 3d printed a dock for my phone with a wireless charging mat in it so just pop it into that at work on my desk and beside bed at night and dont have to worry about cables, so much easier.  Choice of faster charging vs wireless charging, i'd pick wireless every time.  so annoying.  it should be the standard to support wireless charging...


I had several wireless charging pads for my N5, so really missed the convenience of these when I changed to an Xperia. On the positive, with the new Nexus, the ease of a USB C reversible plug combined with quick charge will go quite long way to make up for the wireless omission. ie. micro USB is such a pain to use and, let's face it, wireless is very slow!


convenience of wireless is so much greater than annoyance of plugging a cable in and out all the time though.  whenever I come back to my desk at work i drop my phone into a dock (no pushing, no getting exactly right, just drop) and pick it up again when away from my desk, i do this about 20 times a day.  its on my desk most of the day charging, so slow charging doesnt bother me, using things like the Air Dock in my car provides wireless charging as well, so most of my time my phone is charged easily.  cables are annoying.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1397155 30-Sep-2015 10:46
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reven: damn, theyre way overpriced.    if the vodafone ultra had wireless charging I would upgrade to one of those.  so guess Im sticking with my nexus 5 for now.


agreed - way overpriced. 


I think we need to give Google a break on this, they ain't overpriced - they have actually sharpened pricing against the older models.

Blame instead the NZ dollar that has tanked badly against the US dollar.

For example, if today's exchange rate was at the same as when it peaked against the US dollar at 88 cents, the 32GB 6P would be priced today from NZ $780 and the 5X from NZ $420 .

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  Reply # 1397209 30-Sep-2015 11:05
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zyo: Since no one seems to have mentioned this.

According to FCC filing the US models (4X and 6P) do not support 4G bands in NZ (that's band 3 and 28)
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/09/25/nexus-5x-hits-fcc-with-all-us-carrier-bands-including-verizon/

That's a huge deal breaker (there are less congestion on LTE so regardless of data caps it's worthwhile getting a 4G phone) Better wait for NZ release.


That's also the case for the previous editions.  The US editions have CDMA and all sorts of other ugly shoved into them. You'd be nuts (IMHO) to buy one.


Yes I know that because I got both models of Nexus 5 :)

At least there is 3G though.


So do I sort of. On my last US trip I bought a N5 for my daughter and it was interesting to compare signal strength on my N5 and hers on the same carrier (T-Mobile). She was getting LTE, mine just H (or maybe H+).




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  Reply # 1397215 30-Sep-2015 11:11
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Finch: NZ AVAILABILITY AND PRICING The 6P will be available in New Zealand from November 2 through the Google Play Store, and at selected retailers including 2degrees, Harvey Norman, and Noel Leeming.

32GB: $1099
64GB: $1199
128GB: $1349


No details have been released about the 5X for New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/72543691/googles-new-nexus-6p-and-nexus-5x-smartphones


Pity that Spark didn't jump in and sell it.  I'd get one for the wife  over 24 months.




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  Reply # 1397217 30-Sep-2015 11:12
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NikT: FYI for those considering the 5X - it only supports the Spark/Skinny half of band 28.


I wonder where you got this info from? What do you mean by "half of band 28"?

Spark 3G bands: 1(2100)/5(850); 4G: 3/7/28

Nexus 5X: http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5x-7556.php

3G: HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - Global model
4G: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 9(1800), 17(700), 18(800), 19(800), 20(800), 26(850), 28(700), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500) - Global model

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  Reply # 1397220 30-Sep-2015 11:13
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The 6P sounds expensive but by comparison its still well priced


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  Reply # 1397224 30-Sep-2015 11:20
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NikT: FYI for those considering the 5X - it only supports the Spark/Skinny half of band 28.


This has me really curious - how can a phone support only "some" of Band 28?
How do you know this before you buy?

And does the N6 have the same limitations? 




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  Reply # 1397226 30-Sep-2015 11:21
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dafman: 

I think we need to give Google a break on this, they ain't overpriced - they have actually sharpened pricing against the older models.

Blame instead the NZ dollar that has tanked badly against the US dollar.

For example, if today's exchange rate was at the same as when it peaked against the US dollar at 88 cents, the 32GB 6P would be priced today from NZ $780 and the 5X from NZ $420 .

Sssshhhh sshhh. This is Geekzone. We're upset, ok? We don't like logic.




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  Reply # 1397228 30-Sep-2015 11:22
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Wade: The 6P sounds expensive but by comparison its still well priced



But up until the N6 Nexus phones were always less that the Samsung and Apple top end phones.  Now the nexus have basically joined them..




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  Reply # 1397233 30-Sep-2015 11:31
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The release:


Huawei and Google introduced the Nexus 6P, a premium smartphone featuring Android 6.0 Marshmallow, Google’s newest operating system for mobile devices.

“Huawei is very excited to collaborate with Google and deliver a premium Nexus experience for the global market,” said Richard Yu, CEO of Huawei Consumer Business Group. “We value the way consumers embrace mobile technology in all parts of their lives and have created a smartphone with great design, performance and seamless integration of Android 6.0 Marshmallow, the latest Android release.”

“We're excited to partner with Huawei to introduce customers to Nexus 6P, our most premium phone yet and Android 6.0, Marshmallow, our most polished and highest-performing OS ever," said Hiroshi Lockheimer, VP Android, Chromecast and Chrome OS at Google.

The Nexus 6P is designed with an all-metal unibody, crafted from aeronautical-grade anodised aluminium with diamond chamfers encircling its edges.

The new smartpone features a 5.7” WQHD 518ppi AMOLED display and front-facing stereo speakers for crisp, clear sound. With the latest version of the octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 v2.1 processor under the hood, Nexus 6P delivers enhanced performance with a 3450mAh battery.

Also notable is the reversible USB Type-C port. The included Type-C fast charger gives up to seven hours of battery life from a 10-minute charge.

The Nexus 6P camera has a larger 1.55um pixels sensor, capable of recording 4K and high-frame-rate slow-motion videos. It also features an 8MP front facing camera with Google’s HDR+ technology.

Nexus Imprint is a new feature placed on the back of your device to complement the way you naturally hold it. One touch will turn on the phone and unlock apps for smooth, easy access. For users in the US, Nexus Imprint will also work with Android Pay for quick and easy purchases at thousands of locations nationwide.

The Nexus 6P will be available in more than 30 countries and available for pre-order in the U.S., Canada, the UK, Ireland and Japan through the Google Store beginning on Sept 29.

It will be available in New Zealand from November 2 through the Google Play Store, and at selected retailers including 2degrees, Harvey Norman, and Noel Leeming.

Equipped with 32/64/128GB of storage, the phone comes in Aluminum (Silver), Graphite (Black), and Frost (White) and is priced as follows:

New Zealand RRP

 

  • NZ$1099.00 – 32GB
  • NZ$1199.00 – 64GB
  • NZ$1349.00 – 128GB


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  Reply # 1397234 30-Sep-2015 11:31
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Well guys I guess people can just get the Nexus 6, still a good phone at the new price :)  Just a little bit bigger than the nexus 6P and has wireless charging, fast charging, bigger screen and getting marshmallow etc.


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  Reply # 1397241 30-Sep-2015 11:38
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postmazter:
NikT: FYI for those considering the 5X - it only supports the Spark/Skinny half of band 28.


I wonder where you got this info from? What do you mean by "half of band 28"?

Spark 3G bands: 1(2100)/5(850); 4G: 3/7/28

Nexus 5X: http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5x-7556.php

3G: HSDPA 800 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - Global model
4G: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 9(1800), 17(700), 18(800), 19(800), 20(800), 26(850), 28(700), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500) - Global model


This is from the play store specs for the 5X:

 


Network

 

 

     

  • GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
  • UMTS/WCDMA: B1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
  • CDMA: not supported
  • LTE (FDD): B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9/17/18/19/20/26/28
  • LTE (TDD): B38/40/41
  • LTE CA DL: B1-B3, B1-B5, B1-B7, B1-B8, B1-B18, B1-B19, B1-B26, B3-B3, B3-B5, B3-B7, B3-B8, B3-B19, B3-B20, B3-B28, B5-B7, B7-B7, B7-B20, B7-B28, B40-B40, B41-B41.

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postmazter:

I wonder where you got this info from? What do you mean by "half of band 28"?



At risk of sounding blunt, I work in the devices team for Vodafone. Google told me when they presented the devices to us some months ago*.

muppet:

This has me really curious - how can a phone support only "some" of Band 28?
How do you know this before you buy?

And does the N6 have the same limitations? 


It's about how the spectrum in a given band is carved up vs. what the device's radios are geared for.

If you take a look at, for example, the US band plan for '700MHz', they have 3 (Or more) LTE bands that fall into this space (12, 13, & 17 from memory), with A, B, and C blocks - note that this means an LTE 'band' does not necessarily equate to 'anything within a given 100MHz frequency range'. With the more sensible APAC band plan, you take 100MHz of contiguous spectrum in the 700 space, add in reasonable guard bands to prevent overlap, and carve it up (The LTE specification allows for 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20MHz blocks).
Half of these blocks of spectrum will naturally be in the higher-frequency 'upper' half of the band, and half in the lower-frequency half of the band. See the RSM page on the 700MHz auction for further details.

It is entirely possible for a given device to only support the upper or lower half of a given 100MHz chunk of spectrum, or less, as it would if it only supported one or two of US LTE bands 12/13/17. The Nokia Lumia 830 sold in NZ, for example, also only supports Spark's half of band 28. Thankfully this hasn't been widespread - so far.

In this case, I understand it was due to the overarching desire to have as few SKUs as possible - world phone syndrome on a budget. When factoring in all the overlap in the 700MHz space from all of the US banding, there wasn't enough 'room' in the 5X to support the full spread of band 28. This is just a side effect of market prioritisation.

The Nexus 6 and 6P as sold in NZ do not have this limitation and support the full band.

As for how you know, look at which telco is selling it and what they claim about it. Note that Spark ranged the 830 as an exclusive. If it's not being ranged by a telco... Caveat emptor.


*It is BAU for all upcoming devices to be shopped around all network operators regardless of ranging decisions.




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NikT:
It's about how the spectrum in a given band is carved up vs. what the device's radios are geared for.

If you take a look at, for example, the US band plan for '700MHz', they have 3 (Or more) LTE bands that fall into this space (12, 13, & 17 from memory), with A, B, and C blocks - note that this means an LTE 'band' does not necessarily equate to 'anything within a given 100MHz frequency range'. With the more sensible APAC band plan, you take 100MHz of contiguous spectrum in the 700 space, add in reasonable guard bands to prevent overlap, and carve it up (The LTE specification allows for 1.4, 3, 5, 10, 15, and 20MHz blocks).
Half of these blocks of spectrum will naturally be in the higher-frequency 'upper' half of the band, and half in the lower-frequency half of the band. See the RSM page on the 700MHz auction for further details.

It is entirely possible for a given device to only support the upper or lower half of a given 100MHz chunk of spectrum, or less, as it would if it only supported one or two of US LTE bands 12/13/17. The Nokia Lumia 830 sold in NZ, for example, also only supports Spark's half of band 28. Thankfully this hasn't been widespread - so far.

In this case, I understand it was due to the overarching desire to have as few SKUs as possible - world phone syndrome on a budget. When factoring in all the overlap in the 700MHz space from all of the US banding, there wasn't enough 'room' in the 5X to support the full spread of band 28. This is just a side effect of market prioritisation.

The Nexus 6 and 6P as sold in NZ do not have this limitation and support the full band.

As for how you know, look at which telco is selling it and what they claim about it. Note that Spark ranged the 830 as an exclusive. If it's not being ranged by a telco... Caveat emptor.


*It is BAU for all upcoming devices to be shopped around all network operators regardless of ranging decisions.


Fantastic, thanks so much for the detailed explanation.
I, like I suspect many people, assume that Band 28 is a fixed thing, you either support it or you don't.

Very interesting to learn that Band 28 support can come with little asterisk next to it.

Thanks for the taking the time to explain.

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