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  Reply # 1983407 26-Mar-2018 13:16
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chunkybeats:

 

Im drooling looking at that photo!!!

 

I have been a long term Sony user and my old Xperia Z screen broke which was 5 years old but looking at what Sony are doing this year I am for the first time put off in their direction hence why Im liking what Nokia are going at the moment. Not tempted by Samsung or Apple or others, always caveats with other brands in which are good phones but lack features that I want!

 

 

Well the on screen nav is pretty standard anyway so im nit picking.

 

What you should expect, with what is basicaly 1080p in 18:9 (you know what i mean), is a 6" screen that still looks reasonably nice, but because it has a whopping 3800mah battery you should expect shed loads more screen on time than say a 1440p AMOLED display with a 3200mah battery.

 

The Meizu M6 note which runs similar hardware but 5.5" 16:9 is noted for its battery life (same size battery). Some report 3 days use. Of course that very much depends on use, if you play games non stop then clearly it wont be that long. But what you do get over say the sd625 is an SD660 which is kind of half way between the sd630 and a high end SOC. its also extremely battery saving focussed.

 

So Im expecting the big sell is screen on time. Of course you are getting a bigger screen but not more pixels, but for me 1080p on a notebook is plenty crisp enough.

 

The one thing it misses out on is HDR, i think only the Sony X premium uses an LCD and can display HDR, the rest are LEDs, LG, Samsung etc.

 

So it comes down to what you use the phone for and how important media playback is. There is no doubt AMOLED with HDR at 1440p looks sooooooo much nicer for movies. But if you hadnt seen one Id say LCDs at 1080p still look crazy nice at this size.

 

As an all round phone I think its likely to be the phone of the year. It runs on Android one, so immediate updates etc, hard to beat.


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  Reply # 1984141 27-Mar-2018 10:52
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I think I have finally come to the conclusion that the Nokia 6 (2018) might be the phone to replace my old Galaxy Note 2 - soon(ish).

 

While the Meizu M6 Note looks really great in theory - I think I would get a little annoyed with the FlymeOS and it looks like Meizu are not the best at updating Android.

 

So Nokia wins on that score with AndroidOne and a much improved Nokia 6 for this year.

 

The Xiaomi mi a1 looked really good value as well - Pure AndroidOne and a great price (as an import), but that lack of band 28 4G LTE would make it a bit of a compromise - Actually no worse than my Galaxy Note 2 - But why start with something that is already 'lacking'?

 

Has anyone heard any news of the NZ launch date/price for the Nokia 6 2018?

 

The old model seems to dropped in price to clear the stock at the moment - I am hoping the new model is not to crazy in pricing.





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  Reply # 1984283 27-Mar-2018 13:44
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robjg63:

 

I think I have finally come to the conclusion that the Nokia 6 (2018) might be the phone to replace my old Galaxy Note 2 - soon(ish).

 

 

I think thats a wise choice. Id wait for the review to make sure its all clear of demons and go for it, what will it be $450-500?

 

Dont expect miracles from the Zeiss lenses, there is only so much they can squeeze from that sensor. But hey, i use a camera for anything thats not social media etc.

 

Its definitely the best looking phone for the price point. Which colour?

 

Another phone that impressed me today was the Moto X4 but its 5.2". Sharp LCD.

 

The Meizu looked washed out, Ive been told its flyme and content looks good, so people using launchers etc.

 

But having Android One means immediate updates and security patches. Sure some software like say the Note 8 software is phenomenal for its use case, but not everyone needs a productivity powerhouse. So there are sometimes good software on top of Android, but for the most part, stock android is clean and fast and reliable. And you can always add whatever you want to it.


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  Reply # 1993030 10-Apr-2018 22:02
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Oubadah:

 

Had some movement with my update situation.

 

As I said a few days back, I had two Nokia 6 units horribly out of date:

 

- Unit 1 (no SIM): Oreo Beta with 5th December 2017 security patch.

 

- Unit 2 (Vodafone SIM): Nougat with 1st January 2018 security patch.

 

Two days ago I checked for an update on both of them: nothing, as usual. I did some Googling, and noticed a thread where someone claimed that changing the sim allowed their phone to find an overdue update "within 30 seconds". https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74427334&postcount=17

 

I thought "what the hell" and swapped out the Vodafone SIM in my second unit for the Spark SIM it came with. Still no update that day or the day after. However, today the phone, still with the Spark SIM in it, received Oreo+patch 2018/02.

 

Now, I've found a post written by myself stating that one of my units received the 2017/11 while it had the Vodafone SIM in it, but nonetheless my confidence that update delivery is not affected by service provider is again shaken. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but that update was pretty damned late. My SIMless Unit 2 is even more out of date patch-wise, but it already has Oreo. Should I put the Spark SIM in it now and see what happens, or shall I wait for another month just to make absolutely sure no confirmation bias inducing update is coming in the next couple of days, before putting the SIM in (at which point, if the update arrives within a few days I will conclude that the service provider does influence update delivery)?

 

 

OK, it's not quite been a month but I jumped the gun and put the Spark SIM into Unit 1 today. As soon as I put that SIM in, the Oreo stable update became available. So that leaves me with no doubt that SIM/service provider governs updates on the Nokia 6 in some way. I can't explain the reason why, that's just what happens.


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  Reply # 1993050 10-Apr-2018 23:55
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I'm looking at getting a Nokia when my Samsung S3 or its battery dies. (On my 3rd battery!)    The fact that Nokia actually gets timely security updates is a huge plus for me.    Because of security issues with the old S3 I avoid doing any banking with it & only have a nominal Gmail account & email.   I try to do all serious email & banking using fully updated Windows or Linux.


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  Reply # 1993080 11-Apr-2018 08:02
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Oubadah:

Oubadah:


Had some movement with my update situation.


As I said a few days back, I had two Nokia 6 units horribly out of date:


- Unit 1 (no SIM): Oreo Beta with 5th December 2017 security patch.


- Unit 2 (Vodafone SIM): Nougat with 1st January 2018 security patch.


Two days ago I checked for an update on both of them: nothing, as usual. I did some Googling, and noticed a thread where someone claimed that changing the sim allowed their phone to find an overdue update "within 30 seconds". https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74427334&postcount=17


I thought "what the hell" and swapped out the Vodafone SIM in my second unit for the Spark SIM it came with. Still no update that day or the day after. However, today the phone, still with the Spark SIM in it, received Oreo+patch 2018/02.


Now, I've found a post written by myself stating that one of my units received the 2017/11 while it had the Vodafone SIM in it, but nonetheless my confidence that update delivery is not affected by service provider is again shaken. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but that update was pretty damned late. My SIMless Unit 2 is even more out of date patch-wise, but it already has Oreo. Should I put the Spark SIM in it now and see what happens, or shall I wait for another month just to make absolutely sure no confirmation bias inducing update is coming in the next couple of days, before putting the SIM in (at which point, if the update arrives within a few days I will conclude that the service provider does influence update delivery)?



OK, it's not quite been a month but I jumped the gun and put the Spark SIM into Unit 1 today. As soon as I put that SIM in, the Oreo stable update became available. So that leaves me with no doubt that SIM/service provider governs updates on the Nokia 6 in some way. I can't explain the reason why, that's just what happens.


I wonder how that works then. The theory is that Nokia is pushing out the updates and the telco is not involved. Maybe a telco can block somehow.




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  Reply # 1994210 11-Apr-2018 11:48
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These are non Android One phones, and was each device sold by the said providers?

 

Im just glad we are not in the states where things get really locked down to network provider if its ever had a sniff of involvement,


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  Reply # 1994249 11-Apr-2018 12:48
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amiga500:

 

I'm looking at getting a Nokia when my Samsung S3 or its battery dies. (On my 3rd battery!)    The fact that Nokia actually gets timely security updates is a huge plus for me.    Because of security issues with the old S3 I avoid doing any banking with it & only have a nominal Gmail account & email.   I try to do all serious email & banking using fully updated Windows or Linux.

 

 

 

 

NZ telcos are terrible with updates for Android. Im a Sony user at present soon to be Nokia user and I always flash the firmware to a more supported country to get the latest updates. Spark are hopeless at updates. I would complain to Spark and mention that their competitors have already released the firmware update and they soon take the hint and update. 

 

Whats annoying about NZ telcos is the skinning and the unnecessary boot up screens with their logos. On top is the bloatware from them as well.


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  Reply # 1994262 11-Apr-2018 13:53
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I've only read a few articles about Android One, Project Treble, and Oreo 8 but it seems that Google very very belatedly is improving the updates issue.   Why didn't they design Android from the very start to have the core operating system  be easily updated pretty much the same as Microsoft manages to do?   And at the same time allow the phone makers to add their own skins & bloatware just like a Windows laptop?   And turn on a business Dell and you'll see a customised bios screen & probably a company wallpaper that may or may not be able to be changed by someone without an Admin account!

 

Unless this ridiculous situation with phone updates improves dramatically I will never again buy a Samsung, instead I will get either a Nokia, or an Iphone SE, or maybe the Iphone SE II which is only a rumour at this stage!    


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  Reply # 1994274 11-Apr-2018 14:32
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A bit of info in this article about android updates. And some stats about update schedules for various brands in the included table.

https://www.xda-developers.com/google-separate-vendor-security-patch-android-security-patch-level/

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  Reply # 1994275 11-Apr-2018 14:33
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amiga500:

 

I've only read a few articles about Android One, Project Treble, and Oreo 8 but it seems that Google very very belatedly is improving the updates issue.   Why didn't they design Android from the very start to have the core operating system  be easily updated pretty much the same as Microsoft manages to do?   And at the same time allow the phone makers to add their own skins & bloatware just like a Windows laptop?   And turn on a business Dell and you'll see a customised bios screen & probably a company wallpaper that may or may not be able to be changed by someone without an Admin account!

 

Unless this ridiculous situation with phone updates improves dramatically I will never again buy a Samsung, instead I will get either a Nokia, or an Iphone SE, or maybe the Iphone SE II which is only a rumour at this stage!    

 

 

 

 

That's one of the best things about my iOS devices: The moment an iOS update becomes available, I can tap check for updates on any device and the update will be available, no ifs, and's, or buts. Any staged rollout mechanism appears to only act on automatic checking (ie. notifying you that there is a new update), and even then, the delay is minimal. Update delivery for Nokia's first generation of Android phones has been some combination of slow and dysfunctional, and as above, seems to be at the mercy of the SIM somehow. Delayed updates are a recurring theme on their support forums. Hopefully Android One will solve this for security patch updates, but will it ensure that Nokia users are always on the current OS version? (The Nokia 6 is on 8.0.0 while the Pixels are on 8.1 - disparity which you don't see on supported iOS devices). And finally, will Android One solve the problem of Nokia releasing feature updates that break as many things as they fix (for example, we recently traded missing SMS notifications for music apps being closed every 30 minutes). I can't imagine that it will fall to Google to manage software support for every hardware specific feature for every single Android One device. It's focused on the security of the core OS as far as I can tell.


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  Reply # 1994285 11-Apr-2018 15:11
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Oubadah:

 

Delayed updates are a recurring theme on their support forums. Hopefully Android One will solve this for security patch updates, but will it ensure that Nokia users are always on the current OS version? (The Nokia 6 is on 8.0.0 while the Pixels are on 8.1 - disparity which you don't see on supported iOS devices). 

 

 

Android 8.1 was out on March 28 for Nokia 6. I updated my Nokia 6 on 29th.


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  Reply # 1994310 11-Apr-2018 16:01
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qwerty123:

 

Android 8.1 was out on March 28 for Nokia 6. I updated my Nokia 6 on 29th.

 

 

Well that gets back to what I was saying about delayed updates because neither of my Nokia 6 units have it, and even for those Nokia 6 owners who did receive it on 28/03 still got it a lot later than Pixel/Nexus owners (05/02).


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  Reply # 1994379 11-Apr-2018 17:19
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TeaLeaf:

These are non Android One phones, and was each device sold by the said providers?


Im just glad we are not in the states where things get really locked down to network provider if its ever had a sniff of involvement,


So the Nokia 6 is definitely part of the android one programme. So what would they have done to them to remove them from that loop? Doesn't really make sense if they have screwed around with them.




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  Reply # 1994380 11-Apr-2018 17:21
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robjg63:
So the Nokia 6 is definitely part of the android one programme. So what would they have done to them to remove them from that loop? Doesn't really make sense if they have screwed around with them.

 

The first gen Nokia 6 isn't, only the 2018 model.


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