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GV27
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  #2244653 24-May-2019 15:39
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tripper1000:

 

zyo: Apple, Samsung have all been prosecuted and fined with IP infringements before. How's that any different? Should they be banned around the world too?

 

That is exactly the difference. Samsung and Apple have been prosecuted and sorted out by the courts. Huawei ignores the local laws and refuses to front up in court. So a resolution in this case can not be found in a court room the problem escalates from the Justice system to the government who pull out a bigger, much worse hammer to squash the problem with.

 

 

Then why is the President of the USA citing a 'security concern' as the reason for blacklisting them? 

 

If the US is going to start using this as a negotiating tactic for trade disputes, then it's going to become clear that major global tech firms are at risk of severe disruption if they do business from there. 


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  #2244656 24-May-2019 15:43
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maxeon:

Interesting Video on this trade war..



"China is trying to influence the US political system by pushing tariffs on Trump's support base"

No sh*t Sherlock

Also watermark says it's from epochs times which is affiliated with Falungong lunnies who put out a banner in front of Avondale racecourse weekend market saying communism's ultimate goal is to destroy the human race.

They are nut jobs and I would take couple grains of salt when watching their videos.

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  #2244657 24-May-2019 15:43
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My UK-sourced Huawei MediaPad got the latest Google security update overnight.



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  #2244667 24-May-2019 15:50
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GV27:

tripper1000:


zyo: Apple, Samsung have all been prosecuted and fined with IP infringements before. How's that any different? Should they be banned around the world too?


That is exactly the difference. Samsung and Apple have been prosecuted and sorted out by the courts. Huawei ignores the local laws and refuses to front up in court. So a resolution in this case can not be found in a court room the problem escalates from the Justice system to the government who pull out a bigger, much worse hammer to squash the problem with.



Then why is the President of the USA citing a 'security concern' as the reason for blacklisting them? 


If the US is going to start using this as a negotiating tactic for trade disputes, then it's going to become clear that major global tech firms are at risk of severe disruption if they do business from there. 



Everyone and their dog can see security concern is nothing more than a rort otherwise Huawei would have been banned years ago when they were rolling out 4g across rural America.

This goes to show how disingenuous both sides are in these trade talks and how Americans are willing to weaponize their dominance in software to gain an upper hand.

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  #2244672 24-May-2019 15:59
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tripper1000:


zyo: It's pretty sad such a great company is reduced to nothing more than a total copycat/IP thief in some people's (mostly Americans and/or muerican wannabes) eyes from the relentless smear campaign just because it's a Chinese company .


It isn't an opinion, it is pretty factual. Huawei has been busted twice in the last year alone illegally exporting samples from the USA in direct contravention to the contract with the developers/owners and USA law. Once was new CPU's which they are believed to have opened in an attempt to reverse engineer and once was a new kind of glass.


How would you feel if Huawei stole your new invention and attempted to copy to avoid paying you of the payment you deserve? You'd be pretty mad and would be expecting the authorities to do something about it. Well, the USA authorities are doing something about it.




Exactly. And its well known by peeps in China why they are doing it so its hardly CIA level forensic IP or computer science/

And Huawei are far from the first who have been held accountable Id say ZTE was the last major one, slightly different, but their name has been dragged through the mud in the US.


Who is going to buy an unknown brand Huawei even with its smoke and mirrors camera post processing and old school method of low light sensor management. Even if they comply within 90 days, this has virtually killed their USA mainstream market which they were seriously starting to crack.

If they dont comply then a $1500 phone is near worthless to the majority.


However, is it possible to put lineage 15.1 on the latest Huawei phones? I guess the issue would be there would be no way to manage the RYYB to RGGB sensor process?


GV27:


Thanks to the US Govt, that is no longer possible and the tech companies can't do business with Huawei even if they want to. That this has caught up consumers in NZ - a country with FTAs and relatively positive relations with China - is an even bigger picture issue that we should all be concerned by.


Remember how the US wanted us to be wary about potential state interference in our networks? Well, here's a foreign government who is actively and openly interfering with our telecommunications industry.



 


Well said, yes of course NZ should be concerned. Arent our Vodafone Fibre modems made by Huawei? I have a secondary one.

As for phones the obvious issue is they become near worthless to a lot of people. Of course the people who bought a p30 pro will still use the phone stuck on its current OS and have no security patches for what is possible a sniffer in your hand lol. Ive seen used prices drop already.


Im not too concerned, Xiaomi continue to push the price point, which Huawei decided to join, so if they go from number 2 goliath to number 20 and only sold in china it wont upset me. Their skin sucks anyway, along with a price point similar to Galaxy s10, its not worth worrying about for those that dont own one. We need chinese phones sold below $1k at the quality of the p30 pro with no non compliant security issues. Then and only then will prices be impacted/ I mean seriously Apple, $2k for as phone?



if this trade war continues I can't see why usa wouldn't ban other tech companies. They recently banned dahua which is well known in the geekzone community for their surveillance cameras.

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  #2244691 24-May-2019 16:11
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US President Donald Trump has said Huawei could be part of a trade deal between the US and China, despite branding the telecoms firm "very dangerous".

  #2245035 24-May-2019 21:06
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dafman: My UK-sourced Huawei MediaPad got the latest Google security update overnight.

 

they never were not going to get them....




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  #2245160 25-May-2019 08:36
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This news sounds a bit misleading.  

 

First, Android is open source. So, anyone, can download the sources and compile. This includes security updates. So, Huawei is very capable of  providing the os and the updates to  the customers. 

 

Then, the Google software like email and youtube clients have plenty of alternatives.

 

The playstore. You can easily install it by yourself. There are several alternatives as well. 

 

I've been using "unofficial" chinese mobiles bought on ebay for some time and cannot see any issue there. Especially, when you have a supplier like Huawei supporting it. 

 

So, my point is: if Huawei gives me some discount, I'll be more than happy to  buy their device and accept inconveniences caused by the absence of an official support from Google. 


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  #2245257 25-May-2019 11:27
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The playstore. You can easily install it by yourself. There are several alternatives as well. 

 

 

Pretty much what you wrote is true except that if a company wants to sells millions of devices (and Huawei is the #2 smartphone maker, behind Samsung and ahead of Apple), then you can't rely on "people can install the Play Store themselves".

 

This is not how it works. A small percentage is capable of installing third party software. You are not representative of the majority of users.





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  #2245258 25-May-2019 11:28
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And now the SD and WiFi associations have removed Huawei from their rolls, so the company can't deal directly with them.

 

Some "commentators" go as far as say the company can't use these technologies. The company wouldn't be able to use the trademark names and symbols for sure but that's another battle.





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  #2245422 25-May-2019 15:47
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freitasm:

 

And now the SD and WiFi associations have removed Huawei from their rolls, so the company can't deal directly with them.

 

Some "commentators" go as far as say the company can't use these technologies. The company wouldn't be able to use the trademark names and symbols for sure but that's another battle.

 

 

I hope, I'm not disclosing a big secret when saying that there are heeps of the Huawei equipment in NZ telcos working in the core of the network.


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  #2245423 25-May-2019 15:50
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freitasm:

 

This is not how it works. A small percentage is capable of installing third party software. You are not representative of the majority of users.

 

 

The irony is that I've heard exactly the same words about ADB in the past. Nothing to worry about, right? ;-). 


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  #2245426 25-May-2019 15:54
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freitasm:

 

This is not how it works. A small percentage is capable of installing third party software. You are not representative of the majority of users.

 

 

The irony is that I've heard exactly the same words about ADB in the past. Nothing to worry about, right? ;-). 

 

 

 

 

Every Android user should know the following:

 

  • Install Root
  • Install twrp
  • Obtain and flash a 3rd party rom without bricking the damn thing.
  • Obtain and flash GApps
  • Obtain and flash Magisk

Failing any one of the above and you are a disgrace to the Android community. 

 

 

 

/s


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  #2245427 25-May-2019 15:56
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Na that's general knowledge. 3G and 4G core networking components are not as big a risk apparently. So our major telcos are fine.

IMO once this trade war is over Huawei will be allowed to trade again.

From Trump himself:
TRUMP: Huawei is something that’s very dangerous. You look at what they’ve done from a security standpoint, from a military standpoint, it’s very dangerous. So it’s possible that Huawei even would be included in some kind of a trade deal. If we made a deal, I could imagine Huawei being possibly included in some form, some part of a trade deal.


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  #2245432 25-May-2019 16:20
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zyo:

 

spoonboy:

 

freitasm:

 

This is not how it works. A small percentage is capable of installing third party software. You are not representative of the majority of users.

 

 

The irony is that I've heard exactly the same words about ADB in the past. Nothing to worry about, right? ;-). 

 

 

 

 

Every Android user should know the following:

 

  • Install Root
  • Install twrp
  • Obtain and flash a 3rd party rom without bricking the damn thing.
  • Obtain and flash GApps
  • Obtain and flash Magisk

Failing any one of the above and you are a disgrace to the Android community. 

 

 

 

/s

 

 

 

 

I presume you're joking, Right? I'd suggest less than 5% of Android owners know anything about gaining root access etc.





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