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  #2241232 20-May-2019 11:31

Samsung would be celebrating this. As a whole lot of their competitors have just been blocked.

Sure, Huawei will just try to setup their own App store and /or OS. But actually getting traction on it is not easy. Just ask Microsoft.





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  #2241238 20-May-2019 11:46
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Aredwood: Samsung would be celebrating this. As a whole lot of their competitors have just been blocked.

Sure, Huawei will just try to setup their own App store and /or OS. But actually getting traction on it is not easy. Just ask Microsoft.

 

To be fair to Microsoft though, they weren't starting from scratch. They effectively took over a market leading position and drove it into oblivion. Now that takes a special kind of skill! 😤





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  #2241240 20-May-2019 11:51
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Technofreak:

 

Aredwood: Samsung would be celebrating this. As a whole lot of their competitors have just been blocked.

Sure, Huawei will just try to setup their own App store and /or OS. But actually getting traction on it is not easy. Just ask Microsoft.

 

To be fair to Microsoft though, they weren't starting from scratch. They effectively took over a market leading position and drove it into oblivion. Now that takes a special kind of skill! 😤

 

 

So true. Microsoft lost so much market from its early Pocket PC (competing with Palm Pilot), Pocket PC Phone Edition (competing with Blackberry and later Symbian) and Smartphone (competing with... everything) and then, suddenly in 2007 it all died with the iPhone and the subsequent Android launches. I was a Microsoft MVP Windows Mobile from 2004 through 2011 and some of the projects were really great stuff but the company started and restarted projects every few months, discarded almost ready for market products to start over again, then killed all and went with Windows Phone, to then kill it again...

 

And who remember the Microsoft Kin?





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  #2241242 20-May-2019 11:56
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freitasm:

 

From Reuters:

 

 

"Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license, known as Android Open Source Project (AOSP), that is available for free to anyone who wishes to use it."

 

"Popular Google apps such as Gmail, YouTube and the Chrome browser that are available through Google’s Play Store will disappear from future Huawei handsets as those services are not covered by the open source license and require a commercial agreement with Google."

 

"But users of existing Huawei devices who have access to the Google Play Store will still be able to download app updates provided by Google. Apps such as Gmail are updated through the store, unlike operating system updates which are typically handled by phone manufacturers and telecoms carriers, which the blacklist could affect, the source said."

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Freitasm,

 

Taking emotion out of the conversation in your opinion the quote:

 

'...Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license, known as Android Open Source Project (AOSP), that is available for free to anyone who wishes to use it...'  Can I read this as Huawei can continue to download the Open Source Project Releases (ASOP) basically Business As Usual, do the security updates sit under the ASOP, if that is so you would still get them.

 

If the Play Store App is no longer supplied as part of the Huawei release build, couldn't they just point to a version of it as part of the phone setup and leave it to the end user to choose to install it, how could Google block this.  I have rooted phones over the years and getting the Google Apps installed has not been world ending you can install them from the likes of https://opengapps.org , I'm sure Huawei could automate this even more.

 

I think Google is the only one that is going to get damaged here, by people in power who don't know how technology works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2241285 20-May-2019 12:07
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If this happens to Oppo then I may really regret the sale of the Nokia 7 Plus at the warehouse this weekend.

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  #2241286 20-May-2019 12:08
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freitasm:

 

And who remember the Microsoft Kin?

 

 

I do.





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  #2241287 20-May-2019 12:09
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DeepBlueSky:

 

'...Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license, known as Android Open Source Project (AOSP), that is available for free to anyone who wishes to use it...'  Can I read this as Huawei can continue to download the Open Source Project Releases (ASOP) basically Business As Usual, do the security updates sit under the ASOP, if that is so you would still get them.

 

 

Yes, I think so too.

 

DeepBlueSky:

 

If the Play Store App is no longer supplied as part of the Huawei release build, couldn't they just point to a version of it as part of the phone setup and leave it to the end user to choose to install it, how could Google block this.  I have rooted phones over the years and getting the Google Apps installed has not been world ending you can install them from the likes of https://opengapps.org , I'm sure Huawei could automate this even more.

 

 

The Google Play Store is licensed by Google and is not available without an agreement between Google and the OEM. 

 

Sure, you might be able to download a copy of it (and support libraries) from some third party site that lists APKs but you will have no guarantees at all that that copy was not modified to include malware, adware and so on. Also this is not something the average user will do anyway.

 

DeepBlueSky:

 

I think Google is the only one that is going to get damaged here, by people in power who don't know how technology works.

 

 

And that's what some people have been pointing all this time - this whole "trade war" is actually bad for American interests. Tariffs are paid by American consumers, not by the sellers. Similarly the cost of losing the business is paid by the American companies, like Google, who won't sell the licenses (unless you think HDM/Nokia, LG and Motorola can step up and take Huawei's second place as smartphone manufacturer, just behind Samsung and ahead of Apple. Personally I don't think these companies have the market share or momentum do do it.





 
 
 
 


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  #2241289 20-May-2019 12:11
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epr: If this happens to Oppo then I may really regret the sale of the Nokia 7 Plus at the warehouse this weekend.

 

 

Interesting situation for Oppo here. They are not even close to Huawei in terms of market share, so not a big statement probably placing them on the list.





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  #2241297 20-May-2019 12:36
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There may be an anti-US Chinese consumer backlash to this. And it might hit Apple, not Google.

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  #2241364 20-May-2019 12:55
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dafman: There may be an anti-US Chinese consumer backlash to this. And it might hit Apple, not Google.


Yes Dafman, with the whole tit for tat nature of this there is nothing to say China blocks Apple and other US companies building their equipment in China or a portion of it.

There isn't the production capabilities in the US these days for high end electronics on the scale they need, even if they can offload this to other countries eg. Vietnam it takes time to spin this up.

This may get messy fast unless cool heads prevail.

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  #2241368 20-May-2019 13:02
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Technofreak:

 

To be fair to Microsoft though, they weren't starting from scratch. They effectively took over a market leading position and drove it into oblivion. Now that takes a special kind of skill! 😤

 

 

If PWA (Prgoressive web apps) become a thing of the future and I see some apps going this way then their a very good chance that Microsoft can make a comeback in mobile. They have a good mobile OS and ecosystem around it but they just never could the developers on board to make apps and also the change in direction so often. PWA would mean make app once and it runs on all mobile OS's.





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  #2241379 20-May-2019 13:17
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dafman: There may be an anti-US Chinese consumer backlash to this. And it might hit Apple, not Google.


Yes Dafman, with the whole tit for tat nature of this there is nothing to say China blocks Apple and other US companies building their equipment in China or a portion of it.

There isn't the production capabilities in the US these days for high end electronics on the scale they need, even if they can offload this to other countries eg. Vietnam it takes time to spin this up.

This may get messy fast unless cool heads prevail.

 

Apple is already building the iPhone 7 in India. I'm sure it wouldn't take too long to start making the next round of iPhones there too, if push comes to shove.


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  #2241386 20-May-2019 13:21
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DeepBlueSky:
dafman: There may be an anti-US Chinese consumer backlash to this. And it might hit Apple, not Google.


Yes Dafman, with the whole tit for tat nature of this there is nothing to say China blocks Apple and other US companies building their equipment in China or a portion of it.

There isn't the production capabilities in the US these days for high end electronics on the scale they need, even if they can offload this to other countries eg. Vietnam it takes time to spin this up.

This may get messy fast unless cool heads prevail.

 

Yes, the more I think about it, you would have to say it's odds on that the Chinese govt will strike back somehow. Huawei was the world's largest telecoms equipment manufacturer and second-largest phone maker, they won't take this lying down.

 

For maximum impact, the Chinese will get best bang for buck by hitting back at US industry and the US consumer - which is why Apple may not escape unscathed.

 

And will Microsoft have to follow Google's lead and ban Huawei laptops from Windows OS?

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  #2241434 20-May-2019 13:38
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Benjip:

 

DeepBlueSky:
dafman: There may be an anti-US Chinese consumer backlash to this. And it might hit Apple, not Google.


Yes Dafman, with the whole tit for tat nature of this there is nothing to say China blocks Apple and other US companies building their equipment in China or a portion of it.

There isn't the production capabilities in the US these days for high end electronics on the scale they need, even if they can offload this to other countries eg. Vietnam it takes time to spin this up.

This may get messy fast unless cool heads prevail.

 

Apple is already building the iPhone 7 in India. I'm sure it wouldn't take too long to start making the next round of iPhones there too, if push comes to shove.

 

 

I hear you Benjip, but where do the components come from, are the Indian factories owned by Chinese companies or are they owned by Indian companies ?. If this goes tit for tat a Chinese company may not be able to build the American phone in the Indian Factory by decree from the Chinese Government the reverse of Donald Trumps law change stopping American companies working with Chinese companies, as I noted earlier it could get messy.


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  #2241441 20-May-2019 13:49
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So the big question is: Should I return my brand new unopened P30 that I received this morning from VF?

 

 

 

 


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