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  #2242099 21-May-2019 09:53
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DeepBlueSky:

 

I believe there are some genuine concerns in the USA that China is going to access American innovation and secrets, for a long time the USA was the top of the technology pile but China has caught up and is now accelerating away.  To make it worse its a bit of a home goal in that the rush for profits Capitalism at its finest has meant moving the technology and fabrication to China and part of the Chinese requirements was that those companies had to get local Chinese partners to work with and share IP with. Now if you multiply this by multiple countries everyone has given China their IP, and knowing that historically China has been world leading country for innovation e.g. gunpowder, their people are smart and they are making the most of it.

 

So we are where we are China is on the up curve, USA increasingly feels like End of Empire in its actions. Americas smart people are keeping away from politics, this leaves a void where Radicals and Loony Tunes characters are getting power and dumbing that country down, we may be in for a major correction over the next few years.  China's Government is dodgy at best but they are seemingly running rings around the American Government, and the reactions reek of paranoia.

 

I'm thinking America sees the only option to stop this is to break the system but I think its too late to try an force this the proverbial horse has bolted its going to be an interesting few years.

 

 

The issue the US has is that they can spy on all of us everywhere thanks to secret agreements with all the network gear providers.......but they can't spy via Huawei gear.

That's why they are targeting Huawei. It's the only mainstream network gear you can buy that 5 Eyes can't eavesdrop on. While Huawei was a small player, they didn't much care. They had access at other points. But when it became clear that entire national networks in Australia, Canada, New Zealand the UK and elsewhere would be effectively inaccessible to US spies.......they started telling people not to install any Huawei gear because of security concerns. 

If I had to choose who was going to be spying on me, I'd rather it was China. At least they are sane.





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  #2242142 21-May-2019 10:54
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Restrictions have been eased temporarily?

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-usa-license/u-s-commerce-department-scales-back-restrictions-on-huawei-idUSKCN1SQ27T?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews

 

This would confirm the earlier statement.

 

"Huawei’s limited license is only in effect through August 19, 2019. The permit allows the company to work with U.S. corporations to support current customers. The Shenzhen-based company will be able to maintain business relationships with Google, Intel, Qualcomm, and others to release software updates to existing hardware.

 

This 90-day general license is also good news for some smaller regional networks that rely on Huawei’s infrastructure. Two regions that were already affected by the company’s ban were rural areas of Wyoming and Oregon.

 

The limited license does not mean that all is well between Huawei and the U.S. government. The temporary license only allows the Chinese company to maintain devices that are already on the market. This means that while Huawei can still release security fixes to its electronics, the company will be unable to release new hardware that relies on technology sold or licensed by U.S. companies such as Android."






 
 
 
 


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  #2242228 21-May-2019 11:41
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Vodafone NZ is the first NZ Telco to speak

 

"Vodafone New Zealand is advising customers to consider the uncertainty created by Google's implementation of United States sanctions on Huawei if they are thinking about buying a new smartphone from the Chinese firm."

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112874252/vodafone-nz-cautions-customers-to-factorin-uncertainty-if-thinking-of-buying-huawei-phones


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  #2242249 21-May-2019 11:45
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It's certainly going to savage the presales. The Honor launch might be a bit of a fizzer.





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  #2242261 21-May-2019 11:59
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Will be interesting to see how this all plays out...  Had a Mate 20 Pro since December.  Everything is working as of right now, but if things start going pear shaped I'll be returning it for a refund under the CGA.  Really hope I don't have to since I love this phone, but unstable software and no Google integration are a no-option for me.


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  #2242280 21-May-2019 12:17
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It's a strategic blunder on Trump's part right up there with 'Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.' In the short term it will hurt Huawei quite badly because they do have a number of products that rely on Intel, Qualcomm and other chips, as well as the Play Services in their handsets.

 

 

But in the long term, they also already produce most of those chips already - for example, they already have their own SoCs and radios - and the ones they don't already produce, they can build. They can fork the Open Source version of Android and create their own App Store: at first they may be limited to a mere 1.5B potential customers, but I'm sure they can branch out.

 

 

So, in the long run, this ban absolutely ensures that China ends up with 100% homegrown everything which will rival and then exceed anything the US is designing and they also own most of the supply chain for all the US-designed stuff too. And whenever the Americans try to take some of it back, say, by opening a rare earth mine, the Chinese can dump cheap metals on the market for just long enough to torpedo the mine at the worst possible time.

 

 

Well done, Trump. You played yourself.




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  #2242292 21-May-2019 12:32
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Maybe some good may come from this and an enterprising group of smart folks get together and develop a non corporate associated mobile OS that is viable and free to use for everyone, you know like Linux. Possible? I don't know but maybe this BS will be the catalyst.





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  #2242296 21-May-2019 12:37
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Maybe some good may come from this and an enterprising group of smart folks get together and develop a non corporate associated mobile OS that is viable and free to use for everyone, you know like Linux. Possible? I don't know but maybe this BS will be the catalyst.

 

 

Android runs on Linux already. :-D

 

 

The secret sauce is in the UI.




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  #2242312 21-May-2019 12:57
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MikeB4:

 

Maybe some good may come from this and an enterprising group of smart folks get together and develop a non corporate associated mobile OS that is viable and free to use for everyone, you know like Linux. Possible? I don't know but maybe this BS will be the catalyst.

 

Android runs on Linux already. :-D The secret sauce is in the UI.

 

 

 

But the sauce is too thick and catches the throat. It is also very stringy. 





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  #2242319 21-May-2019 13:09
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SaltyNZ: It's a strategic blunder on Trump's part right up there with 'Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.'

 

Inconceivable!!


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  #2242325 21-May-2019 13:21
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Maybe a little old now but despite being a general news write up, I found this BBC story yesterday and it seems one of the better ones https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48334739

 

It doesn't repeat the stuff which seemed clearly wrong to those with even a basic understanding of Android like suggestions Huawei couldn't have security updates. It does discuss the new versions of Android issue and points out something which is obvious although didn't occur to me before. For Android Q Huawei has already received all the code and support until now, so it's quite likely the effect of this will be limited. For R and other versions assuming the problem isn't resolved by then it's more of a problem. It doesn't discuss any possible risk of Play not working with new of Android versions on existing Huawei devices so either this isn't a risk or it's something they missed. (I assume for Q they've already done all they needed to do anyway.) 

 

Because it's old it doesn't discuss any of the more recent developments like the 90 day thing. 


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  #2242476 21-May-2019 17:03
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Linuxluver:
If I had to choose who was going to be spying on me, I'd rather it was China. At least they are sane.

 

 

You had me nodding until that. I trust neither the Trump administration nor the PRC government. But if I had to choose, I would choose 5 Eyes spying on me rather than PRC government. At least New Zealand is still in 5 Eyes.


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Will be interesting to see how this all plays out...  Had a Mate 20 Pro since December.  Everything is working as of right now, but if things start going pear shaped I'll be returning it for a refund under the CGA.  Really hope I don't have to since I love this phone, but unstable software and no Google integration are a no-option for me.

 

 

 

 

Does the CGA include this if it's not really the retailers fault? How will they cope with so many Huawei returns? the Mate 20/pro/x and P30 aren't cheap devices, it's really going to add up, especially if they can't sell them again. I really don't want to give up my Mate 20, there's really no alternative.


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Vicx:

 

BritishKiwi:

 

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out...  Had a Mate 20 Pro since December.  Everything is working as of right now, but if things start going pear shaped I'll be returning it for a refund under the CGA.  Really hope I don't have to since I love this phone, but unstable software and no Google integration are a no-option for me.

 

 

 

 

Does the CGA include this if it's not really the retailers fault? How will they cope with so many Huawei returns? the Mate 20/pro/x and P30 aren't cheap devices, it's really going to add up, especially if they can't sell them again. I really don't want to give up my Mate 20, there's really no alternative.

 

 

but there is no need to return them though, they will still receive updates and access to everying you currently have....

 

its only NEW devices, ie ones that are yet to come out


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  #2242587 21-May-2019 18:55
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BritishKiwi:

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out...  Had a Mate 20 Pro since December.  Everything is working as of right now, but if things start going pear shaped I'll be returning it for a refund under the CGA.  Really hope I don't have to since I love this phone, but unstable software and no Google integration are a no-option for me.



.I wonder if the CGA covers events like this. Huawei isn't at fault here. President Trump is.




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