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  #2246294 27-May-2019 09:12
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TeaLeaf:

Im curious, can Xiaomi phones be trusted not to send data etc?

 

 

Its too late now. Almost everything internet connected sends data to 3rd parties.

 

Even TV's have been caught recording conversations & that being sent to 3rd parties

 

 

They only way around it , is not to use internet or cellphone : ie live in a cave .

 

 

I bet you're still using google search . All your past searches were recorded .

 

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  #2246299 27-May-2019 09:26
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TeaLeaf:

 

Im curious, can Xiaomi phones be trusted not to send data etc?

 

 

Who says Huawei are sending data to China?

 

And *IF* some data was sent to China why that concern you when all your data is already being sent to the US incl your location and history of pretty much everything you do on your device?

 

 


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  #2246300 27-May-2019 09:30
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noroad:

 

Geektastic:

 

What? You're going to wait for "Kiwiphone" to be launched? 😎

 

 

 

I'm putting my name down for the Number 8 Wire Edition that comes with a Swanni cover.

 

 

 

 

er... have you seen our interception laws? You know all ISP's in New Zealand have to ask the GCSB for approval for every half significant change they do in their network? Don't think little on NZ is in any way innocent in this regard.

 

 

NZ is part of one of the biggest spy networks in the world, 5 Eyes.




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  #2246324 27-May-2019 10:08
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I use a very low price China cell phone because it  has exceptionally good audio and RF capability.  It has system on chip bloatware that is amusing and has been easy to ignore until it produced full screen foreground timed advertisements at phone wake up.   

 

Effective counter measure is "no route firewall", and remove unknown apps that I did not install.  I have blocked a lot of stuff.  One bad add generator was "Free Touch",  that seem to install a lot of "com.andoid" apps.  Many others things I have blocked are probably legitimate but if the phone basic function does not miss them, why worry?

 

Certainly sleeping codes could be in there as well to facilitate who knows what.  Might be in my microwave and washing machine too.

 

I am accepting of the fact that the only real protection from espionage I have is that of our own 5 eyes type big brother oversight.


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  #2246328 27-May-2019 10:13
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GGJohnstone:

 

I use a very low price China cell phone because it  has exceptionally good audio and RF capability.  It has system on chip bloatware that is amusing and has been easy to ignore until it produced full screen foreground timed advertisements at phone wake up.   

 

Effective counter measure is "no route firewall", and remove unknown apps that I did not install.  I have blocked a lot of stuff.  One bad add generator was "Free Touch",  that seem to install a lot of "com.andoid" apps.  Many others things I have blocked are probably legitimate but if the phone basic function does not miss them, why worry?

 

Certainly sleeping codes could be in there as well to facilitate who knows what.  Might be in my microwave and washing machine too.

 

I am accepting of the fact that the only real protection from espionage I have is that of our own 5 eyes type big brother oversight.

 

 

Ultimately this is an example of "It is cheap, I don't mind what data is being mined."

 

How do you know your passwords are not being sent away? Your credit card numbers and bank account numbers?

 

You see the ads and that's one thing. There's probably a lot of stuff that goes behind the scenes and you don't know. And yet people will buy the cheap phones, while worrying about Huawei.

 

Huawei is the least of my worries.





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  #2246388 27-May-2019 10:46
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Surprising to see the amount of confusion about this on a technology literate site.  General public must be completely clueless hence the announcements from the Huawei country heads not to return your phones.  The 'national emergency' is solely for the 5G core network infrastructure, and in many peoples opinions rooted more in US tech being left behind so being used as a tool for that, and I reckon also that the NSA can't stick it's backdoors in Huawei kit like they have in the past for Cisco and others.

 

If Huawei was solely a phone manufacturer it wouldn't even be on the radar.


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  #2246395 27-May-2019 11:05
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The problem with the Huawei issue is that Trump keep changing his mind every day.

 

One minute they're a security issue. The next minute the issue *may* be resolved as part of a trade deal.

 

 




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  #2246399 27-May-2019 11:22
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Jase2985:

 

believe what you may but if it were true someone would likely have found out by now and it would be all over the news.

 

it would likely be commercial suicide if you were caught

 

 

Respectfully I disagree. I don't think at this point companies give two stuffs what happens to your data, or if they caught or not. 

 

Facebook, Banks, Instagram, Insurance companies, Retailers, cellphone makers, cellular network providers, petrol companies.. Anyone you deal with on a daily basis are sharing your data with a third party company with little to no benefit to yourself. 

 

Facebook/Istagram was recently 'caught' saving passwords in cleartype. Noone cared. Heck Facebook even SELLS YOUR MFA DETAILS YOU SUPPLY FOR MONEY TO ADVERTISING AGENCIES.

 

Do you even remember Equifax? How they were 'hacked' and no one gave 2 shakes of a rats ass?

 

The only time people care is when someone intercepts data before it goes to these companies. However they all seem to accept/think that these companies are somehow angels with their data and they never leak or sell your data for a profit..

 

We've been/being quietly brainwashed into believing our data is 'safe' from hackers/foreign companies, when honestly companies get caught/admit YEARS after the fact to being compromised by foreign hackers with little (or none in most cases) punishment for anyone whatsoever.

 

Even back in 2013 Mashable did an article on why most companies won't admit they've been hacked 

 

The FBI director himself has admitted China has successfully hacked every major US company back in 2014!

 

Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent, but my point was/is your data is not now, and never has been safe anywhere online.


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  #2246402 27-May-2019 11:42
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People forget , quickly. Many people now really dont care either way. Who remembers , or cares, about Google driving around and stealing wifi data . Getting caught certainly didnt harm Google long term.

 

https://www.wired.com/2012/05/google-wifi-fcc-investigation/

 

Even if Huawei was caught collecting info from your ph , many simply wouldnt care. Its pretty much expected behavior now .


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  #2246407 27-May-2019 11:59
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freitasm:

 

Even Nokia did send data to China, even if it was a mistake.

 

Don't be fool to believe that Huawei being put in the American DoC list is a privacy or security problem - it is just being used a token for negotiation by some Bad Hombre in the White House. It is political more than technical.

 

 

I think it would be foolish to think otherwise. The primary objective of any super power (or nation) is to ensure national security, and commerce will always take a backseat. 

 

China steal technology from the west, it has been happening for a long time now. 

 

Huawei is a quasi arm of the chinese communist government.  I have no doubt the chinese government would use every tool at their disposal to spy on western nations. They have already copied fighter jet technology. 

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

 

Communist governments are inhumane to their citizens. Democracy while imperfect, is the very reason you are even allowed to run this website. Try to run this website in China and you'll be put in prison quick smart. 

 

You should read this, for an idea of how China operates ... 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12234504

 

 


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  #2246412 27-May-2019 12:13
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surfisup1000:

 

freitasm:

 

Even Nokia did send data to China, even if it was a mistake.

 

Don't be fool to believe that Huawei being put in the American DoC list is a privacy or security problem - it is just being used a token for negotiation by some Bad Hombre in the White House. It is political more than technical.

 

 

I think it would be foolish to think otherwise. The primary objective of any super power (or nation) is to ensure national security, and commerce will always take a backseat. 

 

China steal technology from the west, it has been happening for a long time now. 

 

Huawei is a quasi arm of the chinese communist government.  I have no doubt the chinese government would use every tool at their disposal to spy on western nations. They have already copied fighter jet technology. 

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

 

Communist governments are inhumane to their citizens. Democracy while imperfect, is the very reason you are even allowed to run this website. Try to run this website in China and you'll be put in prison quick smart. 

 

You should read this, for an idea of how China operates ... 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12234504

 

 

 

 

Huawei is owned by the staff of Huawei


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  #2246425 27-May-2019 12:42
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surfisup1000:

 

freitasm:

 

Even Nokia did send data to China, even if it was a mistake.

 

Don't be fool to believe that Huawei being put in the American DoC list is a privacy or security problem - it is just being used a token for negotiation by some Bad Hombre in the White House. It is political more than technical.

 

 

I think it would be foolish to think otherwise. The primary objective of any super power (or nation) is to ensure national security, and commerce will always take a backseat. 

 

China steal technology from the west, it has been happening for a long time now. 

 

Huawei is a quasi arm of the chinese communist government.  I have no doubt the chinese government would use every tool at their disposal to spy on western nations. They have already copied fighter jet technology. 

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

 

Communist governments are inhumane to their citizens. Democracy while imperfect, is the very reason you are even allowed to run this website. Try to run this website in China and you'll be put in prison quick smart. 

 

You should read this, for an idea of how China operates ... 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12234504

 

 

This. I've moved back to using Samsung handsets.


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  #2246427 27-May-2019 12:47
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Why do folks say that Huawei is an arm of the Chinese government? Ren Zhengfei was a member of the PLA, does that mean every former US Marine, USAF, RAF, RNZAF member who starts a business that business is an arm of that nations government? As I said above the ownership of Huawei is vested in the staff of Huawei to the Chinese government of  Communist Party.


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  #2246444 27-May-2019 13:04
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MikeB4:

 

Huawei is owned by the staff of Huawei

 

 

The validity of that statement is dubious at very best (can an employee sell their "shares", does an ex-employee retain and have the right to sell these "shares", the answer is no to both).

 

Here's an interesting note on that point, "western" employees are not granted access to this theoretical ownership (I almost took a job there many years ago and this point (among others) had all the alarm bells ringing).

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/who-owns-huawei.html 

 

http://telecoms.com/496951/new-research-claims-employees-do-not-own-huawei/

 

 


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  #2246457 27-May-2019 13:07
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sbiddle:

The problem with the Huawei issue is that Trump keep changing his mind every day.


One minute they're a security issue. The next minute the issue *may* be resolved as part of a trade deal.


 



This is what I want to know too.

If Huawei is a security risk then why is the option there to use them as a bargaining chip in trade talks, it makes no sense whatsoever to even fathom compromising National Security if they are such a threat.

Me thinks this is all trade related and a resolution should happen in the near future and Huawei will be back selling phones with full support from Google.

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