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  #2459291 11-Apr-2020 11:19
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Update out today.


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  #2459304 11-Apr-2020 11:42
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From the looks of the description this doesn't appear to be the one that improves the fingerprint reader mentioned on Twitter the other day. I'm hoping that makes the fingerprint reader actually usable.


 
 
 
 


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  #2459306 11-Apr-2020 11:45
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Batman:

 

not sure if this has been posted but apparently snapdragon >> exynos this time /s

 

 

For the last 3 or 4 generations, the Snapdragon has been the better SoC; the gap seems to have grown bigger this time. Given Samsung shuttered their custom core team last year, I am guessing they will just use or customise reference ARM designs for all Exynos chips, so hopefully they can focus on better integration and tuning and stop reinventing the wheel. It sounds like TSMC's node is also ahead of Samsung's, so that might be another story.

 

And fookin hell, another security patch actually delivered in the same month. It also says camera fixes, so it looks like this one, but we are still waiting on this one.

 

sm250:

 

From the looks of the description this doesn't appear to be the one that improves the fingerprint reader mentioned on Twitter the other day. I'm hoping that makes the fingerprint reader actually usable.

 

 

I don't know if I just got a binned one, or my expectations are a lot lower than everyone else's, but mine has been great.


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  #2473906 30-Apr-2020 10:48
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The ATD3 update is available now for 2degrees and anyone else on the NZC branch, nothing yet on VNZ or TNZ. Doesn't seem to be anything massive, just minor bug-fixes, supposedly including the green tint issue, if anyone is having it. Looks like there is also an ATD5 firmware with the May security update rolling out in other regions as well. Samsung is really on the ball lately, going by recent trends, hopefully we should see it in another week or so.

 

Maybe someone else with an s20 (or any other *OLED phone really) can confirm something for me; I am having a weird issue with an image with a supposedly true black background producing an LCD like glow when set as a wallpaper. I am using this image here, which looks fine when viewed as an image, but then gets a greyish glow whenever it is set as a wallpaper. Just this one image though, so not a biggie, but it is curious that it looks fine normally, but not as a wallpaper?


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  #2474083 30-Apr-2020 13:58
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Im having "another" odd issue with my S20 ultra.

 

 

 

I have dual sim. I use my work sim (sim2 on vodafone) for calls and txt and my personal sim (sim 1 on spark) for mobile data.

 

 

 

Twice in the last week I've had people call me and say did you receive my txt (to my work/vodafone) number. I hadn't. Both times I restarted the handset and a bunch of txt messages arrived.

 

 

 

I know it's not the norm to use dual sim, but the handset should support this and it seems I'm not alone with this issue.

 

 

 

Genrally speaking, the handset does seem to have some issues with switching to mobile data after being in wifi. Usually this can be resolved by toggling flight mode on then back off.

 

 

 

While I like the handset it would appear there are definitely a few minor and not so minor issues with it. Connectivity being the biggie, but also things like definite issues with the fingerprint reader (my old galaxy s8+ fingerprint reader is waaayyy better) I've also seen a yellowish tint on the screen. I knocked the white balance back a bit which seems to make it better, as well as the ongoing autofocus isues with the camera.

 

 

 

I'm starting to think this handset for all it's bells and whistles is a bit of a dud. 





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  #2474157 30-Apr-2020 15:55
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Martin_NZ:

 

Im having "another" odd issue with my S20 ultra.

 

 

 

I have dual sim. I use my work sim (sim2 on vodafone) for calls and txt and my personal sim (sim 1 on spark) for mobile data.

 

 

 

Twice in the last week I've had people call me and say did you receive my txt (to my work/vodafone) number. I hadn't. Both times I restarted the handset and a bunch of txt messages arrived.

 

 

 

I know it's not the norm to use dual sim, but the handset should support this and it seems I'm not alone with this issue.

 

 

 

Genrally speaking, the handset does seem to have some issues with switching to mobile data after being in wifi. Usually this can be resolved by toggling flight mode on then back off.

 

 

 

While I like the handset it would appear there are definitely a few minor and not so minor issues with it. Connectivity being the biggie, but also things like definite issues with the fingerprint reader (my old galaxy s8+ fingerprint reader is waaayyy better) I've also seen a yellowish tint on the screen. I knocked the white balance back a bit which seems to make it better, as well as the ongoing autofocus isues with the camera.

 

 

 

I'm starting to think this handset for all it's bells and whistles is a bit of a dud. 

 

 

Dual sim phones should not have that issue at all.  I would say this is more a vodafone issue, I have had this in the pass with them on a single sim phone.  No text or calls for a day and then airplane mode on and off and i get missed text messages, calls etc showing up.  Been like that for years with vodafone.  Most of the time it has happen to me is when traveling.  i.e. when i was at home or office all day would be fine until i jumped in the car and went somewhere.

 

Never had this issue with 2degrees or spark.

 

 


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  #2474167 30-Apr-2020 16:15
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Yeah, it seems like there were a few issues out-of-the-gate with the Ultra, which put me off a little. I have really had only the minor one above with the +.

 

While I've never really used dual SIM myself so you will have to forgive me if I asking a dumb question, are both SIMs actually capable of receiving data at the same time or only the selected one? Going off an old post of NikT's about DSDS, I wouldn't have thought so, but maybe I am misunderstanding it. Also, did you have any improvement with the most recent couple of patches for the autofocus or display issues? The one released yesterday was specifically supposed to fix tint issues with the Ultra.

 

If you haven't already, I would try the tips in the video below, it definitely improved mine (h/t to @jonathan18 from the S10 thread):

 

 

The FP sensor is a weird one, I'm really feeling like I am impressed easily haha. My N9 was slower and less accurate, the only trouble I have is hitting the right place; AOD would help with that, but I imagine it would burn up the battery something fierce in conjunction with the 120hz display.


 
 
 
 


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  #2474173 30-Apr-2020 16:23
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ShinyChrome:

 

While I've never really used dual SIM myself so you will have to forgive me if I asking a dumb question, are both SIMs actually capable of receiving data at the same time or only the selected one? Going off an old post of NikT's about DSDS, I wouldn't have thought so, but maybe I am misunderstanding it. Also, did you have any improvement with the most recent couple of patches for the autofocus or display issues? The one released yesterday was specifically supposed to fix tint issues with the Ultra.

 

 

Noy sure about the S20 series but generally dual sim means one SIM recieves data at a time. I'm not sure what the benefit of both SIMs being able to receive data at the same time would be?


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  #2475397 2-May-2020 16:35
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Does anyone have any rumor to share around when Sammy is going to roll out software update to allow 120hz refresh rate @ QHD?

 

There were news about it in mid Feb, it's now May and there had been some updates pushed out but non of them include this feature still.

 

Finally got the ok from the CFO to get a new phone, so looking at S20U vs OP8Pro and having some sort of confirmation/reassurance of the above would certainly help with my decision easier. 


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  #2475398 2-May-2020 16:35
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Does anyone have any rumor to share around when Sammy is going to roll out software update to allow 120hz refresh rate @ QHD?

 

There were news about it in mid Feb, it's now May and there had been some updates pushed out but non of them include this feature still.

 

Finally got the ok from the CFO to get a new phone, so looking at S20U vs OP8Pro and having some sort of confirmation/reassurance of the above would certainly help with my decision easier. 


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  #2475744 3-May-2020 12:27
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Nothing yet, but I wouldn't be basing any buying decision on future developments, especially when OP8P has it out of the box. The refresh rate software seems a bit incomplete, since we have already seen apps that allow currently unsupported modes like 1080p 96hz. But then again, there doesn't seem to be much stopping Samsung from implementing more refresh modes or allowing dynamic stepping, as per Andrei of Anandtech:

 

 

To achieve this performance, Samsung seemingly has had to make some sacrifices when it comes to the power consumption of the phones. While Samsung has managed to implement the 120Hz mode without any additional hardware such as additional MIPI interfaces between the SoC and the display controller IC (hence, why it’s limited to 1080p 120Hz), the actual power management and power draw when in the 120Hz mode is extremely inefficient and not very optimised.

 

On both Snapdragon and Exynos units there’s evidence in the display drivers that there’s hardware support for some sort of VRR (Variable refresh rate) – what exactly this VRR implementation represents I currently don’t have further information on, but it doesn’t seem that it’s a “true” VRR mode, at least not in the current software state of things. Samsung has the panel implementation set up with seemingly 4 different refresh rates; 48Hz, 60Hz, 96Hz and 120Hz. Seemingly, it’s possible this VRR implementation is switching between these modes?

 

 

I'd be waiting until we see local stock retailing of the OnePlus 8 Pro before making that decision though. If I hadn't had to buy a phone when I did, I would be looking pretty hard at the OP8P though. Tbh it seems like the more launches we see, the less impressive the S20 gets.


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  #2477596 6-May-2020 09:45
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An interesting little tid-bit from Andrei Frumusanu in a piece about the OnePlus 8 Pro's battery consumption for QHD+ @ 120hz:

 

 

... The hardware differences between the phones here relates to their display interfaces, the Galaxy S20 series features a single MIPI lane to the DDIC, a bottleneck that is the reason for why the phone can’t do QHD at 120Hz. The OnePlus 8 Pro on the other hand does feature dual MIPI interfaces to the display panel and thus has the bandwidth necessary for driving the higher refresh rate at the highest resolution.

 

 

So unless Samsung can do some compression wizardry to enable this, don't hold your breath then. Which given there seems to be very little battery penalty for having the resolution bump (which was another reason thrown about why Samsung didn't offer a QHD+ 120hz mode), it seems Samsung just cheaped out here. While I bought my phone knowing that limitation, its not great seeing that a competitor using Samsung's own panels can offer it easily.


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  #2477617 6-May-2020 10:03
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ShinyChrome:

 

So unless Samsung can do some compression wizardry to enable this, don't hold your breath then. Which given there seems to be very little battery penalty for having the resolution bump (which was another reason thrown about why Samsung didn't offer a QHD+ 120hz mode), it seems Samsung just cheaped out here. While I bought my phone knowing that limitation, its not great seeing that a competitor using Samsung's own panels can offer it easily.

 

 

Interesting read, thanks for the link to the article.

 

Does sound like Samsung has cheaped out this time on the display hardware, not so 'Ultra' in this respect.

 

So does this mean enabling 120Hz @ QHD+ is not possible via a software update on the S20 series as first reported few months ago then since it sounds more like a hardware limitation.

 

Bummer...but not sure if this would be a deal breaker for me though and doesn't make my purchase decision any easier though S20U vs OP8Pro

 

Saw Supero also has SD version of the S20U for $2k with 12GB/256GB combo which is $200 cheaper than NZ version with only 128GB ROM

 

 

 

 


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  #2477669 6-May-2020 11:11
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Interesting read, thanks for the link to the article.

 

Does sound like Samsung has cheaped out this time on the display hardware, not so 'Ultra' in this respect.

 

So does this mean enabling 120Hz @ QHD+ is not possible via a software update on the S20 series as first reported few months ago then since it sounds more like a hardware limitation.

 

Bummer...but not sure if this would be a deal breaker for me though and doesn't make my purchase decision any easier though S20U vs OP8Pro

 

Saw Supero also has SD version of the S20U for $2k with 12GB/256GB combo which is $200 cheaper than NZ version with only 128GB ROM

 

 

Yeah, I must admit, if I was making the decision about buying an S20 today, as opposed to early March, I would definitely be waiting until the OP8P surfaces through PB Tech. Its still a good device, but a lot less impressive now that other devices have been released and we know the full extent of the corners cut with the exynos chip, display etc.

 

2d (and others I'm sure) have the 128GB S20U for $1799 on a plan or outright. I must admit, I have reservations about buying from any of those grey market importers; personally, I like to know that if problems arise with my multi-thousand dollar device, I have a big, fat local OEM warranty through a reputable company to fall back on. As well as the ROM is local, all the bands work etc...

 

If the Exynos performance is a big issue for you (gaming etc), then definitely look at the OP8P, or other SD equipped phones.


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  #2479150 8-May-2020 11:02
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Maybe I spoke too soon, hopefully it can be confirmed.


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