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BlinkyBill
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  #2580508 7-Oct-2020 10:28
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sbiddle:

 

 

 

It's very different from supplying a product in NZ which is illegal. I even got something from Trade Me last week from a seller supplying 3 pin Chinese plugpacks with their hardware - these are the same pin format as AS/NZ but lacked the insulation on the pins which makes them non compliant.

 

 

 

 

Did you report this to Worksafe?





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  #2580516 7-Oct-2020 10:41
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BlinkyBill:

Did you report this to Worksafe?



TradeMe already ban foreign plugs in line with NZ law.

"Can I list an electrical item with a foreign plug?
No. All items that need plugs must have New Zealand plugs with insulation on the pins and meet the regulatory requirements such as having insulation on the pins of the plug.

What about selling with an adapter?
You may not supply an item with a foreign plug and an adapter. For example, you cannot sell a phone with a charger that uses a UK plug with an adapter. "

 
 
 
 


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  #2580517 7-Oct-2020 10:43
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Batman:

Just saw a xiaomi phone that does 120W charging... Does that mean the battery will last only 6 months

 

I expect it will still last 1-2 years. Xiaomi have probably done some work to ensure the battery isn't killed too quickly, maybe thermal throttling. I personally would still charge a bit slower and not to 100%.


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  #2580561 7-Oct-2020 11:18
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Just checked my Motorola G5s plus, now over 3 years old and never charged on anything other than its Turbocharge ps. Still going strong. My previous Samsung had gone through 3 replaceable batteries by that age.

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  #2580592 7-Oct-2020 11:59
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Bung: Just checked my Motorola G5s plus, now over 3 years old and never charged on anything other than its Turbocharge ps. Still going strong. My previous Samsung had gone through 3 replaceable batteries by that age.

 

Nice. Battery and charging technology must be good. Can you run the AccuBattery app for a few days and tell us what the reported battery capacity is, out of interest? My old P9 dropped from 3000 to 2000mah after three years. My current Pixel 4a rated at 3080mah but is reporting 3178mah. The Xiaomi I briefly had was rated 4000mah but reported about 3400.


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  #2580596 7-Oct-2020 12:14
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timmmay:

 

Batman:

Just saw a xiaomi phone that does 120W charging... Does that mean the battery will last only 6 months

 

I expect it will still last 1-2 years. Xiaomi have probably done some work to ensure the battery isn't killed too quickly, maybe thermal throttling. I personally would still charge a bit slower and not to 100%.

 

 

Xiaomi definitely does thermal throttling with my Note 7 with both my 15W car and wall chargers. My observation is that as the battery temp reaches around 36-37oC, it'll start throttling down to 5W charging. There is an Android app called Charge Monitor which I used for observation of my device's charging behavior. Given that throttling happens to me frequently even with just 15W makes me wonder if 120W is attainable in real world. Simply placing my phone in its holder on top of my dashboard in my car on a hot day is enough to ensure slow 5W charging, while it charges at full speed on a cool day.

 

I think the approach used by Warp Charge (i.e. doing most of the work in the charger so the correct voltage is supplied to the device) is the way to go but sadly many have adopted Qualcomm's Quick Charge (which supplies a certain voltage to the device; which the device then has to convert to its internal voltage and thus generates heat) and I suspect long term USB-C PD (which generally follows a similar approach to QC) will be standard.


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  #2580598 7-Oct-2020 12:23
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Putting a phone on a dashboard to change in the sun is pretty much the worst case scenario for charging.

 
 
 
 


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  #2580669 7-Oct-2020 14:14
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Ok I contacted both PB Tech and Noel leeming. Both supply a NZ fast charger (Samsung 25w for Noel leeming), but neither open the packages and remove the Warp charger luckily. But both my adapters are kind of round inserts so it doesnt fit, so will need a new adapter. Will use the samsung in the mean time. $700 seemed like a good phone, even the main camera is pretty good going on reviews, it is the other lenses that suck. Gcam works really well on it. Its up to date etc.

VERY nice packaging from OnePlus I must say. I own 5, no 6 brands now and OnePlus do it right. Not some shabby attire like my Samsung.

Speaking of Samsung and batteries, Ive had one on fast charge every night, it only uses 25% battery during the day on near 80% brightness. It still lasts as long as the day I bought it 2 years ago. So I dont think all samsungs suck at battery physical lifespan. Maybe some of the older small battery ones did.......

Thank you everybody, it was a last minute decision as I saw the post in the Nord thread but wasnt sure if I should go the 8 which is $900 or not, I dont need a more powerful SoC than the 765. $700 for a 90hz amoled screen with decent Ram and excellent battery life seemed pretty good to me, even compare to the Poco F2 or X3 NFC I was considering.


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  #2580698 7-Oct-2020 15:09
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BlinkyBill:

 

sbiddle:

 

 

 

It's very different from supplying a product in NZ which is illegal. I even got something from Trade Me last week from a seller supplying 3 pin Chinese plugpacks with their hardware - these are the same pin format as AS/NZ but lacked the insulation on the pins which makes them non compliant.

 

 

 

 

Did you report this to Worksafe?

 

 

I'm started dealing with the seller but have been exceptionally dealing with other things so haven't got back to this - I sent them an email wanted them to self report themselves rather than me complaining. They have offered me a full refund and to return the goods but that isn't really the point.

 

 


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  #2580710 7-Oct-2020 15:32
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So what Noel leeming and PBtech is ok though, they give you a NZ fast charger and leave whatever is in the box up to the individual, ie buying an adapter for the real Warp charher.

Found out Aus have the Nord for $580. Our dollar has gone from 98c to the AU$ down to 91c to the AU$. Covid obviously has had an impact and Aus has not really shut down properly and now Victora paid for it. But still, I can see the advantages of keeping economies going. Alas that is a different topic and I hate politics. 

But $580 when we were 98c would have been worth getting from a mate there.


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  #2580761 7-Oct-2020 16:56
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sbiddle:

 

It is illegal to supply a product in NZ (regardless of who you are, whether it's new or second hand or how you're selling it ie online or physical store) with a foreign plug. Everything sold in NZ *must* have a AS/NZ3112 compliant plug.

 

MBIE / Worksafe are continually prosecuting retailers and individuals for this and the seriousness of this should not be understated - Expert Infotech were fined $67,500 by the courts last year for selling products with foreign plugs and an adapter.

 

 

 

 

if the seller provides you with a AS/NZ3112 compliant plug/charger and no foreign to NZ adapter they are compliant with the regulations as they have not given you a way to charge the phone without YOU having to purchase the adapter for it.

 

if they provide you with an NZ adapter then they are in breach. which is what expert infotech did.

 

PB Tech provided me with the original sealed box with my oneplus 8 pro, which included the UK warp charger but i had no way of using that. they also provided a Oppo VOOC 20w charger with AS/NZ3112 compliant plug.

 

nothing to stop me getting a uk to nz adapter though


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  #2580899 7-Oct-2020 20:40
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Yep thats the same for me Jase. I will be getting an adapter though. But for OP you can buy the parent company 30w charger, from RealMe, which supposedly uses the same tech. But it is nearly $38, I think I can an adapter for much less.


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  #2580910 7-Oct-2020 20:48
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TeaLeaf:

 

Yep thats the same for me Jase. I will be getting an adapter though. But for OP you can buy the parent company 30w charger, from RealMe, which supposedly uses the same tech. But it is nearly $38, I think I can an adapter for much less.

 

 

RealMe isn't the parent company. RealMe, Oppo, Vivo, IQOO and Oneplus are all owned by BBK Electronics. They share some technology and supply chain but generally function somewhat independently


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  #2581016 8-Oct-2020 05:29
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im pretty sure all their charging standards are similar but different and are not interchangeable.

 

I have a 25w VOOC charger (oppo) here and i can only get about 15W out of it even when my phone is almost dead. the oneplus charger goes straight to 30w


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  #2581028 8-Oct-2020 08:03
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Jase2985:

im pretty sure all their charging standards are similar but different and are not interchangeable.


I have a 25w VOOC charger (oppo) here and i can only get about 15W out of it even when my phone is almost dead. the oneplus charger goes straight to 30w



From memory warp charging and VOOC were pretty interchangeable but I think Dash 30 and 30T were totally proprietary. I could be wrong on that though.

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