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  #330505 15-May-2010 20:46
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But this here is the issue - selling a product that does not have a NZ plug is illegal in NZ. Using an adapter is legal, but all goods that are sold in Australia or NZ have to have a NZ plug.

Richms says the law doesn't apply to 2nd hand goods - but if Trademe are going to block a phone listing because the phone doesn't feature a NZ plug on the charger anybody selling an iPad with a US plug should also have their auction removed if they're going to follow their own rules.


Are you sure? I think all they have to do is supply an adaptor with the product so it's legal. That seems to be what the parallel importing shops do anyway


Yes - and I posted the bits of the law that apply above.


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  #330511 15-May-2010 21:10
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Half the adapters on there are illegal as well. Any of the light grey ones are, as the face of them is too small to prevent missinserion of a US or UK plug and the resulting contact with the other pin that will be live.

Hell, I have one here where you can misinsert a NZ plug into it with the earth into the live hole.




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  #330514 15-May-2010 21:23
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Which light grey one is that?




No signature to see here, move along...

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  #330517 15-May-2010 21:32
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Wait, so can you sell an US ipad legally if you include an adaptor or not?

EDIT: by which I mean, if I include an adaptor, can I sell it?

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  #330518 15-May-2010 21:35
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Look like these.

Seems TM have finally pulled the sellers of them's listings





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  #330535 15-May-2010 23:24
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codyc1515: Yes, just include the adaptor and they should let you.


NO, I was told in no uncertain terms (after already buying 8 adapters to sell with phones) that I could not sell the chargers because they had a US plug - adapter or no adapter, they wouldn't let me list it.  I had to get a properly fitted NZ charger before they let me relist... ooooo, but I'm not bitter about it, really, I'm not....

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  #330537 15-May-2010 23:33
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I just listed some things with

"No NZ capable charger supplied" and never had them pulled, no picture of a charger other than "to show what plug it needed to be"




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  #330564 16-May-2010 07:37
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richms: Look like these.

Seems TM have finally pulled the sellers of them's listings




Where those adapters on Trademe?

They are all illegal anyway as they don't have insulated pins on the AS/NZS3112 plug which is required on any device sold in NZ and also required on an adapter for it to be legal also.

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For more information on these regulations please refer to the Ministry of Economic Development – Energy Safety website:

http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/ContentTopicSummary____17786.aspx


So TM are 'annoying' because they have to comply with NZ law?


Depending on TM's status (are they a member of the "appliance industry?") I didn't see anything at that link that obliged TM to interfere in transactions.  That they choose to do so, to protect the buyer and enhance their reputation as a responsible auctioneer, might annoy some people.

The other thing that might annoy people, based on the information provided, is their selective enforcement of this rule.

So no, it doesn't appear to me that the annoyance arises from necessary compliance with legislation.




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  #330631 16-May-2010 15:39
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Where those adapters on Trademe?

They are all illegal anyway as they don't have insulated pins on the AS/NZS3112 plug which is required on any device sold in NZ and also required on an adapter for it to be legal also.


Used to be heaps of them, and also some tiny black 2 pin ones.

Forget the shethed pins, thats not a big deal, they have a damn hole in the pin that shreds the insides of outlets, and they are usually too thin to actually have any grip - particually in the crap 4/6 way powerstrips that are for some bizzare reason legal to sell.




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  #330678 16-May-2010 17:34
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codyc1515: Yes, just include the adaptor and they should let you.


NO, I was told in no uncertain terms (after already buying 8 adapters to sell with phones) that I could not sell the chargers because they had a US plug - adapter or no adapter, they wouldn't let me list it.  I had to get a properly fitted NZ charger before they let me relist... ooooo, but I'm not bitter about it, really, I'm not....


I included a USB power adaptor which allows the phone's USB cable to plugged into it and charged that way. No need for the original adaptor at all. I did include it, too, though as it camewith it and I have no use for it.

I just didn't mention it in the auction and it wasn't part of the auction.




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  #330680 16-May-2010 17:37
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Forget the shethed pins, thats not a big deal, they have a damn hole in the pin that shreds the insides of outlets, and they are usually too thin to actually have any grip - particually in the crap 4/6 way powerstrips that are for some bizzare reason legal to sell.


Thanks for explaining this. I had no issues for years but recently have bought two power bars that should have come with clamps to keep the power adaptors plugged into the sockets. They have no grip at all in the middle of 6 outlets...and they adaptors just fall out by the (slight) weight of the power cord.

...and this is supposed to be safe.

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