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  Reply # 375815 2-Sep-2010 15:45
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Did you not read a word I said? for crying out loud man...
You really think vodafone NZ cant bring in phones cheaper than I can?

come on...


Of course they can (and do).  Its just they pocket the difference .... Laughing

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  Reply # 375833 2-Sep-2010 16:06
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langers1972: $850 from Clove and that's with an extra 8GB card as a freebie.

That whopping $100 VF subsidy really is laughable plus you'll be stuck on some 24 month plan at an extortionate rate, come off it
 


Actually that's $850 + gst and customs(994NZD at current rates) , so I think I would have rather gone the Vodafone option(as long as it doens't actually have vodafone at the top or vodafone custom firmware on it!  All good though, had the phone a month and it's getting used a lot still

 




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  Reply # 375849 2-Sep-2010 16:26
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Linuxluver: The Smart plan that's $40/month  - which entitles the phone user to benefit from the 3GB data promo - represents excellent value. I'm talking to my pre-pay daughter about *saving* herself some money and moving on to such a plan with her smart phone (Nexus One).  


Prices have just been updated (http://www.vodafone.co.nz/shop/mobileDetails.jsp?skuId=sku9010039&hardwareSkuId=&menuKey=&selectedView=onAccount&selectedTab=&selectedPlanSkuId=sku5550073&selectedPriceTab=&ignoreCartContent=)

Now $699 on a 24 month Smart2 ($60 per month), or $599 on a 24 month Smart 3 ($80 per month).

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  Reply # 375851 2-Sep-2010 16:26
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vinnieg:
langers1972: $850 from Clove and that's with an extra 8GB card as a freebie.

That whopping $100 VF subsidy really is laughable plus you'll be stuck on some 24 month plan at an extortionate rate, come off it
 


Actually that's $850 + gst and customs(994NZD at current rates) , so I think I would have rather gone the Vodafone option(as long as it doens't actually have vodafone at the top or vodafone custom firmware on it!  All good though, had the phone a month and it's getting used a lot still

 


I guess you haven't been reading about the vodafone UK galaxy s customers and their firmware issues then :)
Official updates for their phones in kies waiting for them from samsung but vodafone telling them they aren't allowed to update and telling them if they do they will even lose their warranty with vodafone.  The updates have to come from vodafone UK so they can put their extras on etc...  I wonder if it will be the same here.

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  Reply # 375858 2-Sep-2010 16:33
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Here, here! Even if it was free it would still be a broken phone! :P Bring on the Desire HD I say!

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  Reply # 375859 2-Sep-2010 16:36
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Kilack:
Linuxluver:
Kilack: Well yeah it basically does come down to our size probably, its not an excuse for them but it means we only have a few players and they can basically do what they want and we don't have much  choice, no doubt at all we are ripped off compared to these countries.

I mean they aren't even subsidising it are they on contract?
You can bring in the galaxy for their subsidised price yourself and in fact for 100 more you can get the 16 gig version delivered to your door..

Interesting that vodafone nz  only got the 8 gig version, vodafone uk got the 16 gig one too..
another important difference.


Prices in NZ are higher for pretty much everything due to our remote location and small population. Those aren't necessarily bad things, either, as they make for a very pleasant lifestyle here.

But the price we pay for our paradise....is some stuff costs more than it does in the (relative) human ant-hills of Europe, North America and Asia.  


Did you not read a word I said? for crying out loud man...
You really think vodafone NZ cant bring in phones cheaper than I can?

come on...

update: sorry that might have been harsh.. but way too many people jump to that  defence and in this case it just isn't valid at all not even remotely.


I heard you. I guess I should have made the explicit statement that our smaller market means business require larger margins on what they sell. 

VFNZ may well get very cheap prices, but they need a healthy margin to keep their company running and turning a profit that makes it all worth their while. I'm assuming you've seen their offices and stores all over the country and understand everyone working in them is being paid out of the "extra" we pay over VFNZ's cost price? It's all as a consequence of what we spend. 
 
From washers to nuts to cell phones....NZ margins are relatively high compared to markets with larger volumes. I did read what you said...and should have made is clear WHY being small and remote sees us pay higher prices even if the vendors do get stuff for what we think of as cheap.  They can't sell at peanut margins or they won't even be able to pay Russell Stanners.....never mind keep the company running. 

I used to do the price sheets for company that stocked diverse plumbing and electrical hardwaree and tools. The *basic* margin was 100% on high volume items and low-volume items might have 500% margin added on.....




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  Reply # 375864 2-Sep-2010 16:44
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Kilack: I guess you haven't been reading about the vodafone UK galaxy s customers and their firmware issues then :)

Official updates for their phones in kies waiting for them from samsung but vodafone telling them they aren't allowed to update and telling them if they do they will even lose their warranty with vodafone.  The updates have to come from vodafone UK so they can put their extras on etc...  I wonder if it will be the same here.


Yes, and that's such a broken model. Completely wrong.

On one side you are with Apple, with other with Vodafone. At least with Apple holding the leash you don't have to worry too much - you know you will get the updates from them, an no one else.





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  Reply # 375869 2-Sep-2010 16:48
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Kilack:
vinnieg:
langers1972: $850 from Clove and that's with an extra 8GB card as a freebie.

That whopping $100 VF subsidy really is laughable plus you'll be stuck on some 24 month plan at an extortionate rate, come off it
 


Actually that's $850 + gst and customs(994NZD at current rates) , so I think I would have rather gone the Vodafone option(as long as it doens't actually have vodafone at the top or vodafone custom firmware on it!  All good though, had the phone a month and it's getting used a lot still

 


I guess you haven't been reading about the vodafone UK galaxy s customers and their firmware issues then :)
Official updates for their phones in kies waiting for them from samsung but vodafone telling them they aren't allowed to update and telling them if they do they will even lose their warranty with vodafone.  The updates have to come from vodafone UK so they can put their extras on etc...  I wonder if it will be the same here.


Nah, haven't been reading about other peoples issues, don't really care as long as my phone works and has the Wifi :)

You can't just reflash the UK Voda Galaxys with stock standard Galaxy firmware?  I know my mate brought an Orange one and had to wait 2 weeks to get it unlocked! He has just flashed his to stock firmware without the Orange stuff and it's working well  




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  Reply # 375872 2-Sep-2010 16:51
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Linuxluver:
Kilack:
Linuxluver:
Kilack: Well yeah it basically does come down to our size probably, its not an excuse for them but it means we only have a few players and they can basically do what they want and we don't have much  choice, no doubt at all we are ripped off compared to these countries.

I mean they aren't even subsidising it are they on contract?
You can bring in the galaxy for their subsidised price yourself and in fact for 100 more you can get the 16 gig version delivered to your door..

Interesting that vodafone nz  only got the 8 gig version, vodafone uk got the 16 gig one too..
another important difference.


Prices in NZ are higher for pretty much everything due to our remote location and small population. Those aren't necessarily bad things, either, as they make for a very pleasant lifestyle here.

But the price we pay for our paradise....is some stuff costs more than it does in the (relative) human ant-hills of Europe, North America and Asia.  


Did you not read a word I said? for crying out loud man...
You really think vodafone NZ cant bring in phones cheaper than I can?

come on...

update: sorry that might have been harsh.. but way too many people jump to that  defence and in this case it just isn't valid at all not even remotely.


I heard you. I guess I should have made the explicit statement that our smaller market means business require larger margins on what they sell. 

VFNZ may well get very cheap prices, but they need a healthy margin to keep their company running and turning a profit that makes it all worth their while. I'm assuming you've seen their offices and stores all over the country and understand everyone working them is being paid as a consequence of what we spend? 
 
From washers to nuts to cell phones....NZ margins are high compared to markets with larger volumes. I did read what you said...and should have made is clear WHY being small and remote sees us pay higher prices even if the vendors do get stuff for what we think of as cheap.  They can't sell at peanut margins or they won't even be able to pay Russell Stanners.....never mind keep the company running. 

 


Sorry but I think you are still missing it...we are talking about phones sold on a 24 month contract,  that is where they make their money.
That is why vodafone UK and loads of carriers all over the world give the phone away for _free_ or dirt cheap cause they make so much $$ on the locked in contract.
Just like printers are almost given away these days and they make the $$ on the ink.
its an old business principle, don't think for one second vodafone nz aren't making a killing here both on the sale of the phone and on the plan after.  That is fine of course they are a business but it's disturbing how so many kiwis are so keen to get walked over and think big companies are actually looking after them and giving things out as cheaply as they can without hurting their profits.

Time for compulsory business courses in high schools here I think.





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  Reply # 375894 2-Sep-2010 17:33
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Couple of things I see wrong with the story so far


The Samsung Galaxy S is available now with a RRP$999

Well at least in the press release it is... elsewhere (even on the website) its out of stock

@Kiljack
I think you need to step back and look at this thru the other end of the telescope.
Forget about whatever subsidies VF are offering (partly because you're not really interested in them anyway). The real issue is that if you elect to buy the handset outright from where-ever, and put it on a Smart Plan, you're paying the same amount (and getting the same benefits) as the folk who took the subsidy.

So by signing a fixed term contract you're effective getting a discounted service (to the value of the subsidy) over the folk who want an open term contract.  You both get the same service bundle, but if you elect to keep paying for 24mths then the hardware is cheaper than you'll get it thru most other channels.

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  Reply # 375907 2-Sep-2010 18:00
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@onxoxnos

When all this started we were comparing vodafone uk to vodafone nz.
it was free there on a pretty middle of the road plan plus they gave you merchandise etc.
Then I checked the pages here, 999 without contract, 899 with.
I already said that I got my phone _cheaper_ than 899.

I got it cheaper and can still go on contract :).

So your theory about being in the same boat as someone buying it on contract and me buying it off and then joining doesn't fly, on the more expensive plans sure, I see your point.

Hell, even optus are giving them away free on their $50 plans aren't they?

Now yes with economies of scale we might expect to pay more etc but that isn't so much an issue when you are talking about an item where they make $$ on a fixed term contract after anyway.

Anyway obviously we all have different opinions.  Thats enough for me today :)

It is great to see them bringing it in at least, i am sure we can agree on that.


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  Reply # 375915 2-Sep-2010 18:42
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Everyone seems to think that down here in little ol NZ that we should pay higher prices because we are small. These fone are bought by Vodafone Inc (because of their buying clout) not Vodafone NZ . Voda Inc allocates these to their franchise operators around the world. How do you think that Voda NZ got the Nexus One?? One of the reason that Telecom NZ doesn't get the latest and greatest. No buying clout..




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  Reply # 375922 2-Sep-2010 18:51
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old3eyes: Everyone seems to think that down here in little ol NZ that we should pay higher prices because we are small. These fone are bought by Vodafone Inc (because of their buying clout) not Vodafone NZ . Voda Inc allocates these to their franchise operators around the world.
There isn't a 'Vodafone Inc'. 'Vodafone Group PLC' is probably what you are thinking. And Vodafone New Zealand is not a 'franchise operator'.




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  Reply # 375940 2-Sep-2010 19:16
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oxnsox: Couple of things I see wrong with the story so far


The Samsung Galaxy S is available now with a RRP$999

Well at least in the press release it is... elsewhere (even on the website) its out of stock

@Kiljack
I think you need to step back and look at this thru the other end of the telescope.
Forget about whatever subsidies VF are offering (partly because you're not really interested in them anyway). The real issue is that if you elect to buy the handset outright from where-ever, and put it on a Smart Plan, you're paying the same amount (and getting the same benefits) as the folk who took the subsidy.

So by signing a fixed term contract you're effective getting a discounted service (to the value of the subsidy) over the folk who want an open term contract.  You both get the same service bundle, but if you elect to keep paying for 24mths then the hardware is cheaper than you'll get it thru most other channels.


It's available online now....

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/shop/mobileDetails.jsp?skuId=sku9010038&voucherCode=&selectionKey=mobile&menuKey=mnit700029 

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  Reply # 375977 2-Sep-2010 20:55
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Kilack: 

Sorry but I think you are still missing it...we are talking about phones sold on a 24 month contract,  that is where they make their money.
That is why vodafone UK and loads of carriers all over the world give the phone away for _free_ or dirt cheap cause they make so much $$ on the locked in contract.
Just like printers are almost given away these days and they make the $$ on the ink.
its an old business principle, don't think for one second vodafone nz aren't making a killing here both on the sale of the phone and on the plan after.  That is fine of course they are a business but it's disturbing how so many kiwis are so keen to get walked over and think big companies are actually looking after them and giving things out as cheaply as they can without hurting their profits. Time for compulsory business courses in high schools here I think.


Two things are very different in NZ:

1. Many more people on pre-pay than most other places.
2. People txt more than they phone.

Both those things mean margins have to be loaded up elsewhere....and I agree the contracts carry a big chunk of that.

If it s rip-off? Having seen how Canadian telcos work, I get down on my knees and kiss the windows of the nearest Vodafone store whenever I come back from North American telco hell. They pay for incoming and outgoing calls and txts and pxts.....unless they pay bigger bucks. They also pay tolls on calls outside their local area....and that's pretty much *everywhere* more then 20 kms from their front door - wherever they live. Incoming and outgoing. Their pre-pay top-ups last as little as 30 days with a minimum of $20....and remember you pay for incoming. My first month in Canada was on pre-pay and I spent $130 and calling no one. No txt bundles. No one I dealt with there txts. I started sending txts (25c each) and the reciptients either didn't see them, didn't know how to answer them, or asked me to stop as they pay 25c to 50c to receive them. 

I had what I thought was a good plan: 750 minute, in & out, nationwide (Canada) with unlimited Internet data....for $180 / month (NZ$250-ish). But I couldn't send txts out side the US & Canada until they were sure I was going to do a runner. I had to put down a C$500 deposit to even open an account...and they gace it back to me 4 months after I closed it. 

NZ cellcos aren't a rip-off in my view. I've seen far worse. 

Ok...you're talking about the UK. Maybe they are better. But it would be a short list.  















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