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  Reply # 377121 6-Sep-2010 13:23
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Okay. Ill try to make it into a question for you.

Why is the rebate so different between the Samsung and the apple.?

With all the new internet capable phones how are your wireless data networks going to cope.

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  Reply # 377130 6-Sep-2010 14:06

As I said, not all phones (even ones of similar spec) get the same level of subsidy. Many reasons for that.

As for the network, we've got no concerns in that regard.

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  Reply # 377208 6-Sep-2010 17:16
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Paul, I don't really understand your logic ?
This is probably my intellect, but could you answer ....

1/ How many phones use data on a daily basis, now, vs 2 years ago.
2/ How many simultaneous data connections can each aerial on a repeater actually handle, still 8 ?
3/ Will my data speed and the coverage each repeater has, suffer as more people jump on the data network.
4/ It seems that there are capacity problems now, in my neck of the woods, Hamilton, so what measures to increase capacity without affecting speed are being made. We only need to fire up 2 cellphones to see the speed of each connection drop by half.
5/ How many NEW data devices would you expect will jump into 2g/3g networks in the next 12 months
6/ There are 100,000 android devices going on line EACH day, worldwide, it's probably the biggest challenge out there to deal with new capacity, businesses rely on it too, so ....Do you not think, that as a service provider, your network should be more open about its ability to handle data serving capabilities and address problems with congestion.


6/ I swear I'm not holding anything wrong yet your last answer seems a bit like steve jobs trying to explain antennagate to his pleb audience. get ready too because the the samsung i9000 suffers from it pretty badly, what are you going to tell them ?


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  Reply # 377217 6-Sep-2010 17:33
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^ can u post all that gunk in a different thread, and in the Vodafone forum?




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  Reply # 377218 6-Sep-2010 17:33

All good questions, none of which I can answer in much detail. However:

1: Lots more.
2: No idea.
3: No because we put more capacity as demand grows in the form of infill coverage.
4: We don't see capacity problems in Hamilton - what device are you using? Is it seeing both the 3G and 3G Extend networks?
5: No idea but plenty I'm sure.

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  Reply # 377255 6-Sep-2010 20:10
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Well, to be frank, $100 is hardly a subsidy. $100 off $1000 is 10%. That's less discount than I'll get from the local electronics retail chain when spending that kind of cash - and there is no long term contract that I'm entering into with them, with expensive early termination penalties.

To put this differently, when signing up to the $40 24 month plan, the iphone4 gets the equivalent of 12 month's subsidy whereas the Samsung gets a meagre 2.5 month's discou .. er, "subsidy". I thought the whole point of subsidising phones was to encourage people to sign up to long term contracts - making them feel like they are getting something in return for signing up to a 24 month contract.

It hardly makes it worth it when I look at the $100 discount on the Samsung, in exchange for a guaranteed $40 from me for the next 24 months - with really expensive early termination fees. Very disappointing!

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  Reply # 377259 6-Sep-2010 20:22
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vyfster: Well, to be frank, $100 is hardly a subsidy. $100 off $1000 is 10%. That's less discount than I'll get from the local electronics retail chain when spending that kind of cash - and there is no long term contract that I'm entering into with them, with expensive early termination penalties.

To put this differently, when signing up to the $40 24 month plan, the iphone4 gets the equivalent of 12 month's subsidy whereas the Samsung gets a meagre 2.5 month's discou .. er, "subsidy". I thought the whole point of subsidising phones was to encourage people to sign up to long term contracts - making them feel like they are getting something in return for signing up to a 24 month contract.

It hardly makes it worth it when I look at the $100 discount on the Samsung, in exchange for a guaranteed $40 from me for the next 24 months - with really expensive early termination fees. Very disappointing!


If you go on the Smart 3 ($80/month), you get an SG-S for $599. That's a healthy subsidy and comparable to what was offered for the HTC Magic when it launched...and it is a less capable phone...and that's barely more than a year ago.

If we're seeing iPhone with a bigger subsidy, then that may reflect some or all of:


  1. Bigger discounts from Apple to Vodafone (perhaps based on volume targets).

  2. Apple may be trying to meet the wave of Android (and other) offerings with "preventative" pricing. They may plan to make their money on iTunes and app sales. Think inkjet printers...and ink ($75 for 5ml = $15,000 / litre - nice money). 

  3. Assumptions made by VFNZ of larger sales volumes for iPhone than other smartphones (maybe tied to some sales targets above related to a lower price from Apple).

  4. Samsung perhaps less aggressive on discounts...at least at the level of anticipated volumes. As a phone maker, Samsung have a US$2.1 billion AMOLED screen factory (alone) they're building...and they have to pay for it and make money at it. Samsung also has their iron in a LOT of electronics fires as a chip inventor, maker, wholesaler and also as a consumer and business electronics giant globally. They are a much more diverse business than Apple....and we are a very small market (always worth remembering).

There is probably more to it....but any real answer may include these elements in some way, shape or form. It's just business. Doesn't much matter whether it's phones or cars or refrigerators.
 






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  Reply # 377318 6-Sep-2010 23:14
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All I can think of is that Vodafone don't want me buying a Galaxy S from them. A $100 discount to sign up for 2 years is scarcely an incentive. More of an insult really.

Tell you what Paul, you won't be selling a lot of 19000s. Is that the plan? Some kind of dealio that gives Apple the advantage over the premier Android? Surprising, with the current Vodafone attitude, that you're bothering to stock them at all.

Parallel imported, here I come.




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  Reply # 377350 7-Sep-2010 02:36
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The real reason is that Apple are strict on pricing... so while Vodafone NZ would have liked to have charged more for the iPhone - Apple won't let them.

Samsung is probably not as concerned what Vodafone NZ charges for the SGS.

Until a carrier in NZ comes in offering decent subsidies for decent handsets, pricing won't change. Vodafone may as well take the extra $ while people are willing to pay it.

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  Reply # 377361 7-Sep-2010 07:23
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caldazar: 

Until a carrier in NZ comes in offering decent subsidies for decent handsets, pricing won't change. Vodafone may as well take the extra $ while people are willing to pay it.


I reckon that VF has overestimated NZers willingness to pay a premium for the convenience of getting their kit from the company. And we certainly will be over-paying for the Galaxy S compared to the iPhone. I really don't care that Paul believes VF is justified in being uncompetitive. In the end, they'll increase their subsidy or they'll stop selling the handset. So buying from Vodafone right now seems to me to be counterproductive for the end user.

So, anyone here willing to pay VF's price for their contracted i9000? 




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  Reply # 377366 7-Sep-2010 07:57
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ArtooDetoo:

So, anyone here willing to pay VF's price for their contracted i9000? 


Well yes I am actually. I don't quite understand what people are complaining about. The Galaxy on a $60 per month plan is priced at $699, whereas the iPhone 4 on a $60/month plan costs $749. If you go to the $80/month plans the Galaxy is $599 and the iPhone is $699. Or are you concerned about being locked into a 24 month plan?

At the end of the day, as Linuxluver says, it's just business. Take it or leave it I guess. Or am I just missing the point completely?

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  Reply # 377369 7-Sep-2010 08:05
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there is always the option to buy it out right , like i did, and am pleased i did.
 

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  Reply # 377370 7-Sep-2010 08:06
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wendonside:
ArtooDetoo:

So, anyone here willing to pay VF's price for their contracted i9000? 


Well yes I am actually. I don't quite understand what people are complaining about. The Galaxy on a $60 per month plan is priced at $699, whereas the iPhone 4 on a $60/month plan costs $749. If you go to the $80/month plans the Galaxy is $599 and the iPhone is $699. Or are you concerned about being locked into a 24 month plan?

At the end of the day, as Linuxluver says, it's just business. Take it or leave it I guess. Or am I just missing the point completely?


+1 I would pay the $999 even

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  Reply # 377403 7-Sep-2010 09:32
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turnin: Okay. Ill try to make it into a question for you.



Why is the rebate so different between the Samsung and the apple.?



With all the new internet capable phones how are your wireless data networks going to cope.


They just won't bother lowing data charges :)

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  Reply # 377414 7-Sep-2010 09:59
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Well yes I am actually. I don't quite understand what people are complaining about. The Galaxy on a $60 per month plan is priced at $699, whereas the iPhone 4 on a $60/month plan costs $749. If you go to the $80/month plans the Galaxy is $599 and the iPhone is $699. Or are you concerned about being locked into a 24 month plan?


Actually the iPhone 4 is $569 ($60 plan) and $519 ($80 plan).

People are complaining as is their right. If no one complained, it is likely the prices would be even higher. They are also complaining because even the iPhone 4 pricing is expensive. Over the ditch in Aussie, similar plans will get you a free iPhone. It's not just for the iPhone. A $49 AU plan will get you a free Android phone as well.

I imported my SGS, got it much cheaper than the $999 Vodafone is charging and it came with a bunch of accessories.

Vodafone are just pricing to what the market can bear as no carriers really want to start giving away phones here - it will just reduce their profits overall. Fair enough, I guess... just disappointing.

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