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  Reply # 378768 11-Sep-2010 13:13
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I liked the back page of the brochure as well, comparing iPad 3G coverage between XT and VF!




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  Reply # 378791 11-Sep-2010 15:32
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Yes it is your map and it credits you. Can't remember the exact wording but I recall geekzone was mentioned.




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  Reply # 378930 12-Sep-2010 10:40
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@freitasm  Yep it's your map, and it credits you even with a link to that particular blog post.

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  Reply # 381215 17-Sep-2010 12:46
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It's not like I want this to turn into a marketing lecture........BUT
If you are ever trying to sell a phone platform like Android.....
consider, Blackberry , Nokia, Apple and Windows phones don't use a universally free operating system.

Thats the attraction to Android. The apps and ideas come from developers who see that (even if they hate google) love the fact that Android does to some extent help standardization amongst the industry.

Android phones are as good as any other, if not better, but it's the system behind them that has the potential.

Android can multitask, you know, like washing dishes and vacuuming floor, some other phones just do one thing at a time.

Android has Flash , so you can watch video, some manufacturers have excluded flash, one of the few successful attempts of standardization.

Android is the fastest growing mobile platform in the world.

None of those points were mentioned in the flyer, just glossy phones. better than nothing but if I can't tell the difference between an apple and an orange, then someone has to explain it to me. The brochure dosn't.

 I would have started with a headline " How do you like them apples ?"
A quick demonststration of Layar, skymap, voice search, all the cool stuff and had links to some video, and a ticker showing how many android phones are being connected daily. Thats showing people what the phones and system can achieve but then I don't work for Saatchis or Telecom. Pity, nice paper wasted.


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  Reply # 381218 17-Sep-2010 12:51
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im really looking forward to seeing "Samsung Galaxy Tab" if the price is right, ill get me one! my sister has a iPad and is alot of fun to play on but the price mmmm i thinking of getting one, but ill wait to see how the "Samsung Galaxy Tab" goes!!



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  Reply # 381233 17-Sep-2010 13:05
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freitasm: And is this comparison the one using the maps I posted in my blog?


You've probably seen it by now, but Geekzone is mentioned on both images and again at lower right using the full URL: www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/7337 




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  Reply # 381234 17-Sep-2010 13:05
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turnin: consider, Blackberry , Nokia, Apple and Windows phones don't use a universally free operating system.

Thats the attraction to Android. The apps and ideas come from developers who see that (even if they hate google) love the fact that Android does to some extent help standardization amongst the industry.


The OS in those devices are not free, but developers are not restricted. For example you can develop for Windows Phone 7 with free tools, Apple no longer restricts app not developed with their own tools. So "free OS" doesn't really mean anything in this context.

turnin: Android can multitask, you know, like washing dishes and vacuuming floor, some other phones just do one thing at a time.


And here lies something. In Windows Phone 7 the multitask is there, but managed. When an app is the background it's frozen, and a thumbstone is created pointing to all its information, so it can restart exactly where it was left before.

On Android things keep running. This is ok in some cases - a GPS app for example - but do you really need Facebook to eat your battery away? A couple of months ago there was an update to the Facebook app, and a couple of days later a new update. The second update was to fix the app running in the background and eating the battery. I experienced that myself.

turnin: Android has Flash , so you can watch video, some manufacturers have excluded flash, one of the few successful attempts of standardization.


Only the newer versions, not many devices running Android 2.2 at the moment. Also none of the devices in New Zealand are officially running  Android 2.2 so any mention of this in the advert would be misleading.

turnin: A quick demonststration of Layar, skymap, voice search, all the cool stuff and had links to some video, and a ticker showing how many android phones are being connected daily. Thats showing people what the phones and system can achieve but then I don't work for Saatchis or Telecom. Pity, nice paper wasted.


And showing a video is cool for the geek in us, but a lot of people would look at that and think "Why?"







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  Reply # 381246 17-Sep-2010 13:19
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turnin:

None of those points were mentioned in the flyer, just glossy phones. better than nothing but if I can't tell the difference between an apple and an orange, then someone has to explain it to me. The brochure doesn't.


My career has been mostly about technology and what it makes possible. I have been loyal to various technologies as long as they presented and represented a way forward to a new, better tomorrow - in my humble opinion.

This often put me at odds with people who were about the company and its goals and its bottom line and their contribution to it. They might have tech preferences, but the company came first. For me, it was the other way around....the company was the means to the life-enhancing goal through technology. 

So for a while, things companies did often made little 'sense' to me....until I realised they weren't on a "mission" to spread the tech word like I was. 

Eventually I worked it out....and could see that I was the guy out of step. My view of technology and society and democracy and personal empowerment is my own and not shared by the corporations of the world. 

So Telecom....they sell a lot of phones from a variety of vendors. They really just want to sell services and minutes and the phones are a tiny, tiny part of that. They don't really care what phones they sell as long as people want to buy the phones they have. So they aren't going to slag anyone's phones off. They aren't going to sell one by knocking others. They want them ALL to be used on their network...and don't want to annoy anyone who owns - whatever - by knocking it. So they knock Vodafone. That's all good. :-)  

As Android users, we can see the benefits of running Android. We may think of those benefits as good things other phones lack or do less well. So we wonder why don't they push these phones with these things in mind? The answer is, they'll sell any phone...and knock none...and any "benefit" mentioned will be free-standing, in isolation from any other device....and it is that way for the reasons given above: services and minutes and the bottom line. Nothing wrong with that. It's just a different view of the same world.    






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  Reply # 381247 17-Sep-2010 13:23
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freitasm: 

And showing a video is cool for the geek in us, but a lot of people would look at that and think "Why?"


Absolutely agree. The first line of my sig is there for a reason.

Go on TradeMe and a good portion of Android phones being sold there are from people who say: "Got it as a gift, but it's way beyond me so I'm selling it."

We might be curious and want to explore and learn each new technology as it arises.....but many others either have no interest or are afraid of (or simply dislike) anything that makes them feel they need to learn anything.  

Instant Rule of Thumb: Roughly 10% of us live in the future. Another 10% live in the present. The rest live in what what we see as the past....but it's their present and they see no other. 





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freitasm:
turnin: consider, Blackberry , Nokia, Apple and Windows phones don't use a universally free operating system.

Thats the attraction to Android. The apps and ideas come from developers who see that (even if they hate google) love the fact that Android does to some extent help standardization amongst the industry.
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Perhaps I should have said open source

Yes but apple have only just lifted such restrictions and could, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did, decide to restrict again.

And here lies something. In Windows Phone 7 the multitask is there, but managed. When an app is the background it's frozen, and a thumbstone is created pointing to all its information, so it can restart exactly where it was left before.

My car has a reverse gear but I wish it didn't because it runs over children.
Multitasking needs to be handled carefully,totally agree, yes my phone does run background apps and slows down as a result, but thats an issue for developers and consumers, the point it the system CAN multitask, something expected by todays users.



Only the newer versions, ( we are talking about NEW phones here) not many devices running Android 2.2 at the moment. Also none of the devices in New Zealand are officially running  Android 2.2 so any mention of this in the advert would be misleading.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
28.7% worldwide run 2.2,  I can't think why were still selling antiques running 1.6.

turnin: A quick demonststration of Layar, skymap, voice search, all the cool stuff and had links to some video, and a ticker showing how many android phones are being connected daily. Thats showing people what the phones and system can achieve but then I don't work for Saatchis or Telecom. Pity, nice paper wasted.


And showing a video is cool for the geek in us, but a lot of people would look at that and think "Why?"
Don't agree, people buy phones based on emotions and they like to have some validation behind their beliefs. My point here has perhaps been lost. Showing nice pictures of a phone isn't enough to sell it these days.


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  Reply # 381254 17-Sep-2010 13:33
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Linuxluver:
turnin:




My career has been....... It's just a different view of the same world.    




Yes, I do see that. Good points you make. I'm constantly frustrated by the lack of adoption of technology :)

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  Reply # 381255 17-Sep-2010 13:34
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turnin: Only the newer versions, ( we are talking about NEW phones here) not many devices running Android 2.2 at the moment. Also none of the devices in New Zealand are officially running  Android 2.2 so any mention of this in the advert would be misleading.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
28.7% worldwide run 2.2,  I can't think why were still selling antiques running 1.6.


The rest of the world is using Android 2.2, these are not the Androids you are looking for. Why the New Zealand market is getting 1.5, 1.6 is another problem, different from your take, which so far I understood was about how the phones are being marketed, not what the phones actually are.




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Now if only I had a phone that could run 850MHz *and* 900MHz UMTS... unfortunately my Samsung Galaxy S I9000 only runs tri-band... and only 900, 1900 and 2100...

so I don't quite have true "choice" when it comes to phone providers...

Thankfully the 2degrees data options aren't too bad... and I'm going to have to seriously consider the new pay monthly...

now if only Samsung would pull finger and get Froyo "officially" released :P

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  Reply # 383049 22-Sep-2010 09:53
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Linuxluver: 

Instant Rule of Thumb: Roughly 10% of us live in the future. Another 10% live in the present. The rest live in what what we see as the past....but it's their present and they see no other. 



Dude that's such a cool saying, and so true! 

My wife's only just adjusted to her iPod Touch, and freaked out when I sold my iPhone 3G for the N1. She then also hated that I sold my Toshiba NB200 netbook for a Macbook. She also hated her Samsung clamshell phone when we first switched to XT, coming from a Moto V3x... but now she wouldn't part with it.!

I've come to realize it's not the technology she's against, but the change, and trying to force change onto people when they have the option not to, is like pushing water uphill.

A wise man once told me this (And it doesn't just apply to technology, but also to character building and other things):
Change only occurs when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of change.

All too true....

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