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  # 466570 7-May-2011 21:22
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freitasm: And now I'm back at home, turned on WiFi - and after it connected to the AP Exchange won't sync again, complaining "no data connection". It seems there's a problem when switching data providers...



Been using for the past 3 weeks or so now and have had no Issues using MS Exchange while switching between WiFi and Packet Data.


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  # 466572 7-May-2011 21:27
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If I buy my mum one of these parallel imported how easy is it to upgrade to Froyo?




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  # 466578 7-May-2011 21:42
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lokhor: If I buy my mum one of these parallel imported how easy is it to upgrade to Froyo?


Why go Parallel Imported + have no support when you can go down the road to the Telecom Store and get one there with support?

*Would never buy a handset overseas to save a few dollars* 




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  # 466582 7-May-2011 21:51
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michaelmurfy:
lokhor: If I buy my mum one of these parallel imported how easy is it to upgrade to Froyo?


Why go Parallel Imported + have no support when you can go down the road to the Telecom Store and get one there with support?


*Would never buy a handset overseas to save a few dollars* 


bought my defy when it first came out from clove. cost 220 pounds - roughly nz$470. yes, it is THAT cheap.





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  # 466584 7-May-2011 21:57
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Well I wouldn't go to Telecom for 2 reasons:
1. She is with 2Degrees and won't be switching
2. it's $452 for the Defy from Eking and I've dealt with them before

I'm assuming it's fairly easy to upgrade to 2.2 using the built in software update feature. Otherwise I guess I'll just flash the firmware for her. I've done that sort of thing enough times on my SGS and my brother's SGS.  




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# 466637 8-May-2011 08:52
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my husband has a motorola defy on XT from the telecom store and its great, so great i said i wanted one and now have one coming from an overseas friend, only problem is the spec is
General 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
and android 2.1 so i suspect not the same phone as what Telecom are currently selling...

can i unlock this for 850 mhz or will XT work on HSDPA 900 / 2100 ?
- I have heard only in small patches of NZ so not really in other words

I currently have an HTC Snap on XT which I used to like but now hate because I have had so many problems with it (sims, charging, crapppo reception) and was looking forward to a phone that I wouldnt have to worry about my 1 year old slobbering on......

any thoughts would be great, I have had experience with flashing and upgrading ROM so would be keen to give it a try, but if its not worth it, i'll sell it and get one from telecom.

Thanks Kiss

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  # 466643 8-May-2011 09:14
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I'm fairly certain that they have different radios so won't work on XT except in limited areas if they only support HSDPA 900/2100. If you've already bought it from overseas you can either consider selling on Trademe (they are only worth around $450 new though) and then pay $800 from Telecom or you could consider just using it on 2Degrees/Vodafone. I'm a pretty big 2Degrees fan since I switched to them.




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  # 466646 8-May-2011 09:15
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nononsene: my husband has a motorola defy on XT from the telecom store and its great, so great i said i wanted one and now have one coming from an overseas friend, only problem is the spec is
General 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
and android 2.1 so i suspect not the same phone as what Telecom are currently selling...

can i unlock this for 850 mhz or will XT work on HSDPA 900 / 2100 ?
- I have heard only in small patches of NZ so not really in other words


It won't work and you can't change bands. You have to find a WCDMA/HSDPA 850/2100 model, or buy from Telecom.
 




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  # 466656 8-May-2011 09:21
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well seeing it was a mothers day present, we'll head down to the telecom shop and get one, i can easily sell the other one when it arrives
stink, that one was white and you can only get black from telecom
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no worries, at least i'll get it faster
i have thought about switching to another network, but as a gen-i employee you can see why i'd prefer to stick with my companies network




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  # 466661 8-May-2011 09:25
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Do you get discounts or something?




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  # 466666 8-May-2011 09:44
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yeah, pretty much the same as when i worked for telstra, enough to keep you from straying providers, but not enough to have a free bill LOL
also i have a work mobile, so if i did keep this freebie pressie defy and change to 2degrees, i'd have 2 phones anyway
 im not a handbag type of girl so i dont want to lug 2 phones around

i have seen loads of references to unlocking a defy for 850 overseas, so it is interesting that it can't be tampered with
i guess there is a difference between a phone being confined to a certain frequency or not actually being able to get to that frequency.

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  # 466672 8-May-2011 10:07
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ok now this is confusing, and someone technical could defenitely answer this one

looking on trademe, i see a phone identical to the one i have coming, but... there is an extra line in the specs e.g
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
with the extra line being:
HSDPA 1700 / 2100 or HSDPA 850 / 1900
same android 2.1, same everything, even says option white (and i know the one Telecom sell dont have option white)

how can this be?
looks like the one i have is the same specs as the one on eking as well, are these two phones the same? and then another one from telecom?

confusing is all i can say.

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  # 466676 8-May-2011 10:26
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Well, here is the non-technical answer. 

My understanding is as follows.

If you buy a phone from EKing or similar it will work with a Vodafone or Two Degrees sim card. Same as if you bought the phone from Voda.

If you buy from Telecom it will work on XT.

One type of phone will not work on the other network, no way, no how. It is a hardware thing so it does not matter if you flash the firmware, root the phone or whatever. 

For business reasons Telecom and Vodafone mostly don't sell the same phones, this is why the Defy is not available form Voda or 2 degrees. 

I don't know if there are third party sellers of phones that are compatible with Telecom, there may be and they are probably cheaper than telecom.

A much more tech answer should be here soon.

Kind regards,

Jack 




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  # 466682 8-May-2011 10:37
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Typically you can't have a 3g radio that supports both 850mhz and 900mhz, presumably because those bands are so close together. Telstra in Australia support the 850mhz band so you can parallel import their phones and they will work on XT.

The one on TradeMe appears to have copy+pasted technical specs from a site (probably gsmarena) which has an extra line for the alternative frequencies supported which are 1700/2100 and 850/1700. The alternative frequencies will only be supported on models of the phone created for that as they likely have a different 3g modem.

They did say it was a Telecom one from the Subway competition though so will likely support 850mhz.




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  # 466685 8-May-2011 10:53
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lokhor: Well I wouldn't go to Telecom for 2 reasons:
1. She is with 2Degrees and won't be switching
2. it's $452 for the Defy from Eking and I've dealt with them before

I'm assuming it's fairly easy to upgrade to 2.2 using the built in software update feature. Otherwise I guess I'll just flash the firmware for her. I've done that sort of thing enough times on my SGS and my brother's SGS.  

Some PI units don't have all the MOTOBLUR fug... you don't need to register to use it.(The one I got from Expert Infotech didn't)

Yes there's a built in software update feature, but there currently aren't any updates on offer.  Out of the PI box they're 2.1 and there is a 2.2 release in the pipeline which should be soon. On XDA there's plenty running CM7, but you may find they your Mum is happy with the way it comes...and getting the updates as they occur?

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