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  Reply # 507197 16-Aug-2011 11:00
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buy motorola share before announcement
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huge profit for selling share


I can't get why don't Motorola ask royalty to every other mobile phone maker as it is the inventor of mobile phone?

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  Reply # 507232 16-Aug-2011 11:47
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NZtechfreak: Quite a giggle the suggestion that Samsung are going to drop the OS that made them the top manufacturer, or that HTC are going to drop the OS that brought them into the big time. 


samsung are getting hit hard by apple right now, google purchasing motorola probably isnt going to affect that suit at all.  The question becomes, how deep are samsungs pockets?  They've already had to pull their galaxy tabletsfrom the EU market, how long before they have to pull tabs and phones from other markets?  They were also getting hit up for royalties by Microsoft - royalties which HTC are already paying. 

I'm seeing this turning into a Google vs Applesoft patent war, and i bet vendors will start to pick sides.




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  Reply # 507244 16-Aug-2011 12:09
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I'm wondering if we will see Google putting a dock connector on their phones to compete against the Apple dock?
Now the software and hardware manufacturer have the clout and size... it would make sense to try and get a click of the 'Made for Motorola Android' ticket.

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  Reply # 507274 16-Aug-2011 12:49
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nitrotech: Dear Google, now that you've taken over this company can you please get rid of the god-aweful moto-blur - thanks in advance


+ thousands.. Commonly called Motobloat




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  Reply # 507280 16-Aug-2011 13:04
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So you can visualize how absurd the US patent system is...




However that's old (oct 2010) when you add in lawsuits from companies that are basically patent trolls and don't actually make anything you get something like this




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  Reply # 507289 16-Aug-2011 13:19
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Shows the value of patents and who has the most amount from a 2010 study by business week.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_04/b4164051608050.htm





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  Reply # 507301 16-Aug-2011 13:41
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A very thought-provoking analysis over at Mobile Industry Review

In summary:
“We think they’ve done it 25% for the IP, 25% to assure a continued position for Android and 50% to unnerve the industry.” 
 

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  Reply # 507307 16-Aug-2011 13:54

Here I was hoping that a new, quite powerful tech company, without a decent patent pool will start lobbying against these BS patents, but no, they joined them.

So a little group of elite companies will have cross licensing deals with each other and sue or acquire all new start ups. Brave new world.

Google would have been strong enough to actually fight a lot of these patent claims, but now they need to protect their own IP.

 

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  Reply # 507610 16-Aug-2011 22:17
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This is the most interesting development in the tech enterprise for ages.

There is a lot of really good analysis over at The Register, by the way although I might point people to El Reg I don't get a cut from it.

Some of the points they make are that:

Motorola's IP war chest does not help Google here. It is poor where it needs to be rich. It is no help at all in the Oracle battle, which (alas) as many people have forgotten today, is largely about copyrights not patents.

These radio and design patents of legacy manufacturers such as Motorola or Nokia really aren't worth quite as much as their owners think they are.

And that: 

Google didn't take IP seriously, bidding silly numbers (such as pi billion dollars) for the Nortel patents. 

I personally think that maybe, maybe, we will see a move to integrated world where hardware makers and software makers are either the same company like Apple or have 'special relationship' such as Nokia / MS.

Google goes on about how 'open' Android is but it's all rubbish. Google picks one maker and they get preferential treatment by getting early access and therefore an inside track. Guess who is on the inside track now?

What will is mean for us consumers?

Well, I think this will actually weaken Android as hardware makers would be stupid not to look at 'other options', such as WP7 or Bada if you'er Samsung. 

But I'm not buying a tablet until Windows get serious and put something in the market. I think that just got a step closer with this deal. 

Having said all that, I'm just another dude trying to read the tea leaves. Anybody claiming to do more than that is definitely breaking a non-disclosure agreement.  

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  Reply # 507711 17-Aug-2011 09:36
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Why would they go for WP7 as Nokia get preferred treatment from Microsoft?

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  Reply # 507719 17-Aug-2011 09:45
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ntsan: Why would they go for WP7 as Nokia get preferred treatment from Microsoft?


They wouldn't, as the previous poster said he is just reading tea leaves or just expressing an opinion in other words.

Google wont have sprung this on their Android hardware vendors without letting them know in advance via an NDA.

EDIT Oops NDA = Non Disclosure Agreement



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  Reply # 507738 17-Aug-2011 10:11
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ntsan: Why would they go for WP7 as Nokia get preferred treatment from Microsoft?



I think a large part of how this will all work out depends on something only a very few people actually know:

How will the 'special relationships' between hardware makers and software makers actually work?

Before the Nokia/MS deal or Google buying Motorola Mobility you could reasonably easily say there were hardware companies which did software in house, such as Nokia/Symbian, Apple/iOS, etc, and there were companies which used Android, and to a much lesser extent WP7. 

Android and WP7 were accessible enough to all parties, with some inconsistency, for a number of hardware makers to used happily rather than going to the trouble of building their own OS.    

Now we don't know what special position Nokia and Motorola will be in with regard to the software as all the official talk has been intentionally vague. This is probably one of the most confidential pieces of information in the phone industry at present.

My contention is that if I were a software maker using Android or WP7 and I wasn't Motorola or Nokia I would want a 'plan B'. Anything else would leave me very vulnerable. 

So if I currently only made Android phones I would look to WP7 (as far as I know everybody making WP7 phones currently also makes Android phones, except Nokia of course) in the short term and consider an in house OS for a long term possibility. This looks very similar to what Samsung are doing with Bada and their diverse strategy, nobody calls those dudes fools. 

Sound reasonable?  




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  Reply # 509240 19-Aug-2011 22:24
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NZtechfreak: Quite a giggle the suggestion that Samsung are going to drop the OS that made them the top manufacturer, or that HTC are going to drop the OS that brought them into the big time. 


samsung are getting hit hard by apple right now, google purchasing motorola probably isnt going to affect that suit at all.  The question becomes, how deep are samsungs pockets?  They've already had to pull their galaxy tabletsfrom the EU market, how long before they have to pull tabs and phones from other markets? 


Apple seeks blanket ban on all Samsung Galaxy devices
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41590/apple-seeks-samsung-galaxy-ban
The Apple / Samsung legal battles rages on with the news that Apple is now seeking a complete ban on the entire Galaxy range; smartphones, tablets and all, including the Samsung Galaxy Ace, Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, original Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1.



i'm sure samsung arent giggling about that...   




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  Reply # 509301 20-Aug-2011 09:37
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NZtechfreak: Quite a giggle the suggestion that Samsung are going to drop the OS that made them the top manufacturer, or that HTC are going to drop the OS that brought them into the big time.?


samsung are getting hit hard by apple right now, google purchasing motorola probably isnt going to affect that suit?at all.? The question becomes, how deep are samsungs pockets?? They've already had to pull their galaxy?tabletsfrom the EU market, how long before they have to pull tabs and phones from other markets??


Apple seeks blanket ban on all Samsung Galaxy devices
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41590/apple-seeks-samsung-galaxy-ban
The Apple / Samsung legal battles rages on with the news that Apple is now seeking a complete ban on the entire Galaxy range; smartphones, tablets and all, including the Samsung Galaxy Ace, Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, original Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1.



i'm sure samsung arent giggling about that...???


I bet the Apple lawyers are. If Crapple was able to pull this off there would be a fair amount of backlash from the non Apple fan out there..




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