This is a great plus for Sony, who's format was suffering due to the American adult filum industry deciding to move forward with HD-DVD,
The battle between the two formats is looking less like the battle between Betamax and VHS every day - one of the main reasons betamax lost out was due to the decision (according to many places ) of the decision of the Adult film industry to use VHS.
the other interesting take is that Sony refuses to be associated with, or allowing any of its manufacturing subsidaries to press or copy adult films - and none of the companies in Japan are allowed to do so either,
so the japanese industry has contracted several firms in Taiwan to secure all the neccessary equipment from Sony.
The other interesting thing to note is who was behind Betamax, thats right, Sony.
Even though the American industry is currently favouring the HD-DVD format, this is only due to the reduced cost of manufacturing, as with any large media / entertainment industry, whatever becomes the most popular will likely win.
I for one would rather see a group standard win out vs. a singular entity, Sony have proven themselves to be the epitome of the Evil Capitalist Corporation time and time again, much worse than Microsoft has ever been - at least in blatant terms,
I want to see HD-DVD win out because whilst Microsoft is always quoted as being a Consortium member, you shouldn't forget that it is actually headed by the Founders: Toshiba and Hitachi
other members inculde HP, Intel and Microsoft,
Blu-ray is headed by the founders Sony and Philips and has members such as Apple, Walt Disney and Matsushita.
The lists of the Members and creators of both technologies are miles long and cross over frequently, it is of no surprise that many companies are keeping eggs in both baskets - so-to-speak,
especially as noone knows what format will win, if any,
Hell, tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me if Someone like IBM came out with a 1/2 TB capacity easily manufactured format came out, or perhaps a small start up that uses some form of recycled easily obtainable materials and blows both HDDVD and Blu-Ray into relative obscurity...provided it wasn't brought out and quashed in the early stages, like so many other great formats.
back to the main points:
- Wavelength: - Both use 405nm wavelength blue-violet laser.
- Tracks: the Blu-ray has a tighter track pitch, spiraling inside out like a vinyl disc.
- Pickup Apeture: Blu-ray - 0.85, HD-DVD- 0.65
- Surface Layer Thickness: Blu-Ray= 0.1mm, HDDVD=0.6 (Blu-ray = one scratch, all broken,. hd-dvd should be more fault tolerant)
- Manufacturing costs: due to the surface thickness Blu-ray need to make completely new production facilities where HDDVD can use some of the same manufacturing as the surface layer is the same thickness as regular DVD's.
The More Important Technical Aspects / Specs
Rom- Single Layer: ~23 GB
Rom - Dual Layer: ~46GB
Highest Testpoint: ~100GB
Theoretical Max: ~200GB
Copy Protection: AACS, ICT, BD+, BD-ROM Mark.
Circumvention: ? I'm not sure...
Rom- Single Layer: ~15 GB
Rom - Dual Layer: ~30GB
Highest Testpoint: ~45GB
Theoretical Max: ~60GB
Copy Protection: AACS, ICT
Cirumvention: 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0
While it will still be quite some time before the Format war is decided - My chosen side is that of HD-DVD,
My main reasons are Bias, against such evil corporate pirates such as
- Apple - hell these guys are incredibly evil. they released a mobile phone that you aren't even allowed to change the battery on
- Sony: EVIL, total Evil, Root Kits, Playstation, Just say no kids.
AND HD-DVD is likely to be cheaper, AND less format Locked, and they are less likly to have company sponsored malware.
aside from anything else the HD-DVD is more physically robust than the Blu-Ray - yes the HD is only as robust as current DVD's but at least you can fix it, vs Blu- ray which will scratch if you look at it.
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Comment by sbiddle, on 31-Jul-2007 08:59
It's just a shame that the bigots involved couldn't decide on a single standard. Past history dictates that one format will eventually win and I'm personally in the HD-DVD camp.
Comment by Ben, on 31-Jul-2007 09:12
Capitalist Sony vs Microsoft. screw you man your a retard and most likely a bisast one at that Microsoft is the most Capitalistic company know to man. it has been proven time ans time again that microsoft forces there standards through industry like a facist bull dog. your just another baught tool and I sick one at that.
Comment by deadeyedaryl, on 31-Jul-2007 12:18
I never knew that about the blue ray disk proection only 0.1mm . I don't mind who wins atm i am in the hd dvd camp and would like them to win but if it comes to it i will use a ps3 as a blue ray player when we eventually get one in about a years time. Inane, linux rules lol.
Comment by barf, on 31-Jul-2007 14:20
the "Sony" that rootkitted PCs was Sony Music BMG (scumbags) the Sony developing blu-ray is the 'real' Japanese Sony, you should not confuse the two.
Comment by James Stringer, on 31-Jul-2007 15:12
Can I ask...When was the last time you bought a replacement battery for you phone?! I never have...And I think thats really just a point used by people who can't think of anything else...Most people don't keep a phone long enough for it to need to be replace anyway...So whats the deal.
I'm pretty sure that I have read that the Blu-Ray disk has a extremely protective coating anyway, so Disk Scratch issues should not be a problem.
Sony just as much, or more so of a hardware company than Toshiba, Yes Sony also Makes alot of money selling Media...Good for them, but thats a different department...Sony's a Big company.
The root kit stuff didn't effect us anyway right? So why do we care...
And Whats this about Blu-Ray suffering because of its decision not to let Sony and Disney owned printers print porn on Blu-Ray Disks...Blu-Ray never suffered because of that, thats just more Bull.
Blu-Ray outsells HD-DVD in pretty much every country right?!
HD-DVD is a nice format(I have used it) but this was blaitant fanboism, you tried to give a Non-Biased take, but then you mention Betamax...How is that relivant at all, Saying that Blu-Ray is just Sonys format which it will use to be evil with?! And Internet is now a leading delivery form for Porn now...(As it seems you know all to well)
I look forward to Sony Getting its stuff together and winning, they have had it hard lately(their fault as well as Media) but I think they are ready to lead again.
Soon as they stop screwing over Europe...Microsoft has been rather nice to us lately with the HD-DVD drive costing the same amount in NZ (with currency conversion) as it does in the US, And I think we will get a Price drop on the 360 soon, to about ~600ish, which would be nice. Sony needs to convince Europe that it wants to be competitive, there is No way it costs that much money (1200NZD PS3 - 750USD to NZD PS3(currency exchange))to modify it to PAL and Ship it to NZ, They just Don't care and think they can get away with Screwing us, So until there is a price drop, No PS3 for me :-( (Yes well aware of the "Starter pack" that comes out tomorrow/the next day) but It still costs 1200...
Disclaimer...my spelling, Grammar, Pricing may be a little off, but its close :-P
Comment by Gigs, on 31-Jul-2007 16:24
Why not just write the article as:
"I do not like sony in any way shape or form, thus the format war has been decided and it is obviously HDDVD."
To say it's suffering though is a little misleading, the porn industry itself is still divided about going HD at all, so besides having picked hddvd initially, the industry as a whole isn't completely behind high def in any way. Does this detract from bluray, quite possibly, however time will tell. Also note here Vivid are looking at both formats, to say the industry as a whole is backing one is also a little grey.
ALL corps are the same, be it Microsoft, Sony, Apple, Nintendo, Enron, BP, Shell, Telecom, Telstra, Vodafone, etc. They all have the same goals, to be "it" in their segments, to rule by clear authority and to make buckets of cash. If you think the backers of HD have any purer motives than Sony for pushing their format, then this is the sort of thing I would expect to read in the herald. :P
On the scratching issue, if you're talking the metallic material the information is burned onto, then I haven't found any disc yet thats really durable to dmg of this part. If the other, tray facing side, then most players are great about your average scuffing and scratches here.
When you look at major US chains, I've only heard about them going Bluray, Target and Blockbuster amongst the first notables. Heh Woolworths in the UK as well which apparently have pretty high DVD sales. (Though it seems funny saying that)
To be honest the "format wars" are becoming tiresome, but you also left out the biggest threat to BOTH formats, and thats the emergence of online media availability overseas - which has the potential to be a threat to both camps.
Not that it matters in this case, but there's also dual format players you can get, why pick a side when you can have both. ;)
WOW at just blaming Sony as one big large entity though inane.. That's ignorance, I'm sorry. Most of their groups of companies run under the umbrella of the Sony name but a lot of decisions are independent of the other segments.
Do you think Microsoft Gaming would have released a statement "oh we're appalled that operating systems is trying to tie you into IE! We're shocked and don't condone the operations of our sister company" or some such?
Comment by HD Porn, on 5-Aug-2007 04:40
I have an HD DVD player, and I will probably end up buying some porn for it in HD, but I have never purchased a DVD for porn either, so not sure... I watch it online, so you can believe that I have invested some $$$ into the WMVHD format.
Either way, HD Porn is the best. :)