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  Reply # 570950 19-Jan-2012 18:59 Send private message

strange that they don't permanently lock all handsets then.  I guess maybe historically 3G/GSM vs CDMA made it pointless.




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  Reply # 570957 19-Jan-2012 19:15 Send private message

what is strange to me is that sim-locking is claimed to be diabolically anti-competitive, yet the markets so often held up as beacons of competitive success (like the UK and USA) heavily lock handsets and have done for years.

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  Reply # 570959 19-Jan-2012 19:16 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: what is strange to me is that sim-locking is claimed to be diabolically anti-competitive, yet the markets so often held up as beacons of competitive success (like the UK and USA) heavily lock handsets and have done for years.

Then you get carriers like AT&T who flat right deny the right to unlock handsets, is this competitive?

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  Reply # 570978 19-Jan-2012 20:01 Send private message

By law in the US they can lock handset but must provide unlock codes on request.





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  Reply # 570980 19-Jan-2012 20:03 Send private message

freitasm: By law in the US they can lock handset but must provide unlock codes on request.


Not sure about that, especially the iPhone on AT&T.

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  Reply # 570981 19-Jan-2012 20:04 Send private message

codyc1515:
NonprayingMantis: what is strange to me is that sim-locking is claimed to be diabolically anti-competitive, yet the markets so often held up as beacons of competitive success (like the UK and USA) heavily lock handsets and have done for years.

Then you get carriers like AT&T who flat right deny the right to unlock handsets, is this competitive?


As per my previous post:


San Francisco – The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) won three critical exemptions to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) anticircumvention provisions today, carving out new legal protections for consumers who modify their cell phones and artists who remix videos — people who, until now, could have been sued for their non-infringing or fair use activities.

“By granting all of EFF’s applications, the Copyright Office and Librarian of Congress have taken three important steps today to mitigate some of the harms caused by the DMCA,” said Jennifer Granick, EFF’s Civil Liberties Director. “We are thrilled to have helped free jailbreakers, unlockers and vidders from this law’s overbroad reach.”

The exemptions were granted as part of a statutorily proscribed rulemaking process, conducted every three years to mitigate the danger the DMCA poses to legitimate, non-infringing uses of copyrighted materials. The DMCA prohibits “circumventing” digital rights management (DRM) and “other technical protection measures” used to control access to copyrighted works. While the DMCA still chills competition, free speech, and fair use, today’s exemptions take unprecedented new strides towards protecting more consumers and artists from its extensive reach.

The first of EFF’s three successful requests clarifies the legality of cell phone “jailbreaking” — software modifications that liberate iPhones and other handsets to run applications from sources other than those approved by the phone maker. More than a million iPhone owners are said to have “jailbroken” their handsets in order to change wireless providers or use applications obtained from sources other than Apple’s own iTunes “App Store,” and many more have expressed a desire to do so. But the threat of DMCA liability had previously endangered these customers and alternate applications stores.

In its reasoning in favor of EFF’s jailbreaking exemption, the Copyright Office rejected Apple’s claim that copyright law prevents people from installing unapproved programs on iPhones: “When one jailbreaks a smartphone in order to make the operating system on that phone interoperable with an independently created application that has not been approved by the maker of the smartphone or the maker of its operating system, the modifications that are made purely for the purpose of such interoperability are fair uses.”

“Copyright law has long held that making programs interoperable is fair use,” confirmed Corynne McSherry, EFF’s Senior Staff Attorney. “It’s gratifying that the Copyright Office acknowledges this right and agrees that the anticircumvention laws should not interfere with interoperability.”

EFF also won a groundbreaking new protection for video remix artists currently thriving on Internet sites like YouTube. The new rule holds that amateur creators do not violate the DMCA when they use short excerpts from DVDs in order to create new, noncommercial works for purposes of criticism or comment if they believe that circumvention is necessary to fulfill that purpose. Hollywood has historically taken the view that “ripping” DVDs is always a violation of the DMCA, no matter the purpose.

“Noncommercial videos are a powerful art form online, and many use short clips from popular movies. Finally the creative people that make those videos won’t have to worry that they are breaking the law in the process, even though their works are clearly fair uses. That benefits everyone — from the artists themselves to those of us who enjoy watching the amazing works they create,” added McSherry.

On EFF’s request, the Librarian of Congress renewed a 2006 rule exempting cell phone unlocking so handsets can be used with other telecommunications carriers. Cell phone unlockers have been successfully sued under the DMCA, even though there is no copyright infringement involved in the unlocking. Digital locks on cell phones make it harder to resell, reuse, or recycle the handset, prompting EFF to ask for renewal of this rule on behalf of our clients, The Wireless Alliance, ReCellular and Flipswap. However, the 2009 rule has been modified so that it only applies to used mobile phones, not new ones.

“The Copyright Office recognizes that the primary purpose of the locks on cell phones is to bind customers to their existing networks, rather than to protect copyrights,” said Granick. “The Copyright Office agrees with EFF that the DMCA shouldn’t be used as a barrier to prevent people who purchase phones from keeping those phones when they change carriers. The DMCA also shouldn’t be used to interfere with recyclers who want to extend the useful life of a handset.”

Along with the exemptions that EFF championed, several other DMCA exemptions were expanded, granted or narrowed including one for documentary filmmakers and college-level educators, as well as some for security researchers.

 




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  Reply # 570983 19-Jan-2012 20:06 Send private message

freitasm:
codyc1515:
NonprayingMantis: what is strange to me is that sim-locking is claimed to be diabolically anti-competitive, yet the markets so often held up as beacons of competitive success (like the UK and USA) heavily lock handsets and have done for years.

Then you get carriers like AT&T who flat right deny the right to unlock handsets, is this competitive?


As per my previous post:

On EFF’s request, the Librarian of Congress renewed a 2006 rule exempting cell phone unlocking so handsets can be used with other telecommunications carriers. Cell phone unlockers have been successfully sued under the DMCA, even though there is no copyright infringement involved in the unlocking. Digital locks on cell phones make it harder to resell, reuse, or recycle the handset, prompting EFF to ask for renewal of this rule on behalf of our clients, The Wireless Alliance, ReCellular and Flipswap. However, the 2009 rule has been modified so that it only applies to used mobile phones, not new ones.

“The Copyright Office recognizes that the primary purpose of the locks on cell phones is to bind customers to their existing networks, rather than to protect copyrights,” said Granick. “The Copyright Office agrees with EFF that the DMCA shouldn’t be used as a barrier to prevent people who purchase phones from keeping those phones when they change carriers. The DMCA also shouldn’t be used to interfere with recyclers who want to extend the useful life of a handset.”

 

Sure that might make it legal to unlock them but that does not force the carriers to unlock them.

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  Reply # 570984 19-Jan-2012 20:07 Send private message

You can either unlock via third party services, or request the unlock code to your operator. If you are under a contract the operator may charge a fee.

What's wrong with that?





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  Reply # 570987 19-Jan-2012 20:11 Send private message

freitasm: You can either unlock via third party services, or request the unlock code to your operator. If you are under a contract the operator may charge a fee.

What's wrong with that?


Not my understanding, AT&T will not unlock iPhones regardless.

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