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  Reply # 688206 19-Sep-2012 14:56 Send private message

@networkn: Read my last sentence above as I was editing that post.

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  Reply # 688207 19-Sep-2012 15:02 Send private message

 

As long as you get the nutrients/minerals you need the schedule of when and how you eat is irrelevant.



What you can "survive" doing and what is best for your body and mind are two different things. My wife, a doctor, would, I am quite sure, argue this all day with you, but I would be curious as your supporting evidence to suggest not eating 3 times a day == eating once a day.

I used to not eat breakfast, for about 10 years. I had a stint in hospital where eating 3 meals a day was mandatory, and the difference in me from 10 years ago, by 11am, is insane. I can concentrate most of the day long, don't feel lethargic. Lunch and dinner were always good quality (I am a foodie) so I seriously doubt it was a matter of minerals and vitamins. Perhaps give the Diabetes Foundation a call and speak to them about the wisdom of skipping meals. 


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  Reply # 688229 19-Sep-2012 15:25 Send private message

networkn:
CamH: Yes this is a problem, but a problem that needs to be solved by the parents.


If anything is done, I reckon there should be some sort of partially funded school programme where parents pay $2 per day and the school provides some sort of food. Make it compulsory, take it off their benefit or whatever it takes.



I quite like this idea, though with the bleeding hearts I can't see it ever getting done. 



Why take it off the benefit? 

Why not just fund it from higher taxes on alcohol and smokes?





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  Reply # 688231 19-Sep-2012 15:29 Send private message

DonGould:
networkn:
CamH: Yes this is a problem, but a problem that needs to be solved by the parents.


If anything is done, I reckon there should be some sort of partially funded school programme where parents pay $2 per day and the school provides some sort of food. Make it compulsory, take it off their benefit or whatever it takes.



I quite like this idea, though with the bleeding hearts I can't see it ever getting done. 



Why take it off the benefit? 

Why not just fund it from higher taxes on alcohol and smokes?



Personally I'd like to see all beneficiaries get a card with an amount loaded on it that could only be spent on food at supermarkets not on alcohol and cigarettes!

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  Reply # 688234 19-Sep-2012 15:32 Send private message

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It's also worth noting these parents who couldn't "afford" to feed the kids "proper" meals had individually wrapped cookie times and other expensive items which could be replaced with bread and jam which would be more filling etc, for a similar cost. 


This is the part I have a problem with. Showing the "poor" kids lunches of cookie time and soft drink does not convince me that they need more money. Surely it's not a matter of education either - who thinks a cookie is better than a salad sandwich!

Cookie time cookie $1.84 * 5 = $9.20
Loaf of multigrain toast $2.99, Lettuce $2.79, jar of vegemite $3.49 = $9.27

The so called poverty in actual dollar terms is not the issue.



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  Reply # 688239 19-Sep-2012 15:38 Send private message

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networkn:
It's also worth noting these parents who couldn't "afford" to feed the kids "proper" meals had individually wrapped cookie times and other expensive items which could be replaced with bread and jam which would be more filling etc, for a similar cost. 


This is the part I have a problem with. Showing the "poor" kids lunches of cookie time and soft drink does not convince me that they need more money. Surely it's not a matter of education either - who thinks a cookie is better than a salad sandwich!

Cookie time cookie $1.84 * 5 = $9.20
Loaf of multigrain toast $2.99, Lettuce $2.79, jar of vegemite $3.49 = $9.27

The so called poverty in actual dollar terms is not the issue.




I don't think "education" should be framed like that. It's more complicated than salad sandwich vs cookie time. A lot of overweight people know eating two chickens isn't as good for them as a Salad, but the chicken gives them something they don't get from a sandwich. I am not putting that quite the way I want to as I have a splitting headache, but it's not as simple as 1 thing.


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  Reply # 688240 19-Sep-2012 15:39 Send private message

networkn: 

Personally I'd like to see all beneficiaries get a card with an amount loaded on it that could only be spent on food at supermarkets not on alcohol and cigarettes!


In the US they have a system very similar to this called 'food stamps', I don't think it has worked well. 

Personally, I don't think what you do with today's beneficiaries matters. The goal must be to break the cycle many others on here have identified.

We must take a generational view and do whatever we need to, including feeding kids at school or in extreme cases removing them from parents who can't cope. 

We must make the country their family. The State will take care of them, feed them, house them, educate them. In exchange they will work hard, pay taxes and raise the next generation who won't need the State. 

The failed parents who don't feed their (hungry) children are not the problem that needs to be fixed, they need to be sidelined. 




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  Reply # 688241 19-Sep-2012 15:39 Send private message

networkn: Personally I'd like to see all beneficiaries get a card with an amount loaded on it that could only be spent on food at supermarkets not on alcohol and cigarettes!


How would you break up the benefit though? 

Food costs in Christchurch are higher than Wellington because of transport issues.

How is that fair on those who take the time to grow their food in the garden?

What sort of social message is that sending to DPB parents about their budgeting skills?






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  Reply # 688243 19-Sep-2012 15:42 Send private message

crackrdbycracku:  In exchange they will work hard, pay taxes and raise the next generation who won't need the State.


wow that's a leap.

I suggest that they're more likely to grow up resenting the state for taking their parents.  Just look at the 'white families' policies in Australia and the impact that has had.






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  Reply # 688249 19-Sep-2012 15:49 Send private message

berry: Cookie time cookie $1.84 * 5 = $9.20
Loaf of multigrain toast $2.99, Lettuce $2.79, jar of vegemite $3.49 = $9.27

The so called poverty in actual dollar terms is not the issue.


So what you're saying is that the Decile 1 parents are time poor, not cash poor.

Is the problem that the Decile 1 parents are both working low income jobs, have cash but don't have time to be making lunches for their kids?

Or is the problem more complex?

Are the kids just refusing to eat a sandwich and the choice between 'something v's nothing' is the choice they're taking?






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  Reply # 688250 19-Sep-2012 15:49 Send private message

DonGould: 

wow that's a leap.

I suggest that they're more likely to grow up resenting the state for taking their parents.  Just look at the 'white families' policies in Australia and the impact that has had.




Yeah, it is a leap and as I have once said "If you want to see hell on earth get a group of good people together and get them to try to Make Things Better". 

But you asked: 

DonGould: 

How would you break up the benefit though?  



I do think if we are serious about solving a problem like this then we need to be thinking on this scale. 




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  Reply # 688252 19-Sep-2012 15:53 Send private message

What if the schools home economic classes made lunch for the entire school? They would learn great skills for the future. in their families and even for job prospects.


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  Reply # 688257 19-Sep-2012 15:55 Send private message

crackrdbycracku: I do think if we are serious about solving a problem like this then we need to be thinking on this scale. 


Yes, sorry to cherry pick a comment without commenting on the rest of your post.

I largely agree with the scale of what you're saying.

Personally I think the answer to this food problem is to provide hot meals in schools, all schools, at breakfast and lunch.

But I also think we should look to growing vegies on site at the schools as well and employing local youth to tend those crops and work in the kitchens and assist in the supervision of feeding.

We have 25% youth unemployment. 

We are doing a shocking job of creating employment for our youth and this strikes me as a really obvious and easy solution to both problems at the same time.






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  Reply # 688258 19-Sep-2012 15:57 Send private message

wdoa: What if the schools home economic classes made lunch for the entire school? They would learn great skills for the future. in their families and even for job prospects.



Yes, but I suggest that all students should take part in the process form years 0 to 13.

Lesson plans should be worked around doing the work. 

Cooking involves a great deal of literacy and numeracy.






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  Reply # 688259 19-Sep-2012 15:58 Send private message

DonGould:
crackrdbycracku: I do think if we are serious about solving a problem like this then we need to be thinking on this scale. 


Yes, sorry to cherry pick a comment without commenting on the rest of your post.

I largely agree with the scale of what you're saying.

Personally I think the answer to this food problem is to provide hot meals in schools, all schools, at breakfast and lunch.

But I also think we should look to growing vegies on site at the schools as well and employing local youth to tend those crops and work in the kitchens and assist in the supervision of feeding.

We have 25% youth unemployment. 

We are doing a shocking job of creating employment for our youth and this strikes me as a really obvious and easy solution to both problems at the same time.




Wow, any ideas on the cost of something like this ? Where is that money coming from? Should private schools be included? Schools in Remuera where the quality of the food wouldn't be as good as what the parents would provide? I don't think you have properly thought this through.



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