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Topic # 75852 24-Jan-2011 19:03 Send private message

Hi

I am not familiar with buying things on Amazon, but have just gone through an order (not confirmed it though).   It has $127.06 in the "Import Fees Deposit".

What does that mean?  Is the government going to sting me $127?

Thanks.  

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  Reply # 430687 24-Jan-2011 19:23 Send private message

Never seen it, and ordered something yesterday... Are the items supplied by Amazon? The product page clearly says if they are Amazon or third party, perhaps there are different policies.






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  Reply # 430688 24-Jan-2011 19:26 Send private message

The items are supplied by Amazon.  From reading it seems that since it is a large order, it is the NZ governments fees charged for importing goods.  (BioSecurity etc.)

 

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  Reply # 430690 24-Jan-2011 19:29 Send private message

Breaking it down in smaller orders will just add to the shipping costs... So it's probably the case of pay or pay...




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  Reply # 430693 24-Jan-2011 19:33 Send private message

Because the Government decided (rightfully so) to start going after duty/GST on some imports via postal/courier systems etc, Amazon take a deposit to cover the 'expected' fees, so that if the fees are charged, then the package will get expedited.

Based on the amount of fees they are trying to collect as a deposit, I'm guessing that the value of the item is quite a bit higher than the $400 (incl postage) limit Customs have on enforcement?

That is my understanding anyway, more reading is available at:

* Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=596184&#import
* NZ Customs: http://www.customs.govt.nz/importers/Private+importers/Customs+charges.htm

I will say a couple of things though:

a) Don't try and disguise the value of the goods/get someone to do it for you, if caught you'll likely be in bigger trouble.
b) Be thankful, that NZ Customs lowered the duty rates on a lot of items before they brought in the new policy
c) If you are insistent on getting the item via Amazon, (even w/ the GST charges/duty etc) then be thankful that they have this scheme, it'll save you a trip to pay the taxman!

And lastly,

d) Don't blame me for not minding these charges, they are a good thing for the economy.

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  Reply # 430695 24-Jan-2011 19:38 Send private message

nigelj: Because the Government decided (rightfully so) to start going after duty/GST on some imports via postal/courier systems etc, Amazon take a deposit to cover the 'expected' fees, so that if the fees are charged, then the package will get expedited.


The IRD had not changed the rules yet. They are looking at it. Customs already charge the GST, they just waive it if under $60 to be collected.

If you are importing something that's more than $60 worth of GST then that's why they charge it.


 






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  Reply # 430696 24-Jan-2011 19:44 Send private message

Not a lot over $400, order is $411 before shipping, $446 including shipping.  I does seem a huge jump going from $0 payable to $120 payable between $399 and $450.

It may be good for the economy but it's not for the consumer when a lot of items are just not available here full stop.

Can't split the order up as its a single electronic device. 

 

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  Reply # 430697 24-Jan-2011 19:45 Send private message

You are just over the $60 threshold...







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  Reply # 430698 24-Jan-2011 19:47 Send private message

Will have to wait for the exchange rate to go up :-)

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  Reply # 430706 24-Jan-2011 20:00 Send private message

I'd rather arrange the payment of any fees after arrival in NZ.

It is presumptuous of amazon to try and guess any payable fees - and , if they are wrong do they give a refund? I bet they do not.

But, amazon are still a good deal. I was looking at coleman BBQ's - NZ retailers sell for around $600 (http://www.dwights.co.nz/product/227/ColemanPaulJuniorRoadTripGrill.html).

I can import one through amazon for total landed cost of a little over $400 (ehttp://www.amazon.com/Paul-Designs-Coleman-RoadTrip-Grill/dp/B00367PAO0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1295852211&s...).

Also, probably not a good idea to use amazon foreign exchange service either - they sting you for that. Your bank will give a better deal.

Something is not right when you can import a large item like this and even after paying over $200 in postage it is still cheaper.

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  Reply # 430708 24-Jan-2011 20:04 Send private message

Yeah, I got stung for this on a tablet I bought from Amazon. It states that if the fee is not charged it will be reimbursed but I haven't heard a thing. Will chase up with amazon to see if they can provide a statement of what they were charged. My fee didn't appear to match up with what NZ customs would be charging.

Cheers, Matt.




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  Reply # 430740 24-Jan-2011 21:35 Send private message

When you say don't use Amazon's forex, do you mean change the currency to USD on the Order Summary?    

Does that really change what they charge you in? 



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  Reply # 430751 24-Jan-2011 21:47 Send private message

Hoping the government will raise it to $1000,  its currently a big hit for $400, being 25% of the order. 

Much cheaper to buy in Aussie, no import tax on under $1000 and with pretty much parity exchange rate with USD. 

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  Reply # 430753 24-Jan-2011 21:49 Send private message

freitasm:
nigelj: Because the Government decided (rightfully so) to start going after duty/GST on some imports via postal/courier systems etc, Amazon take a deposit to cover the 'expected' fees, so that if the fees are charged, then the package will get expedited.


The IRD had not changed the rules yet. They are looking at it. Customs already charge the GST, they just waive it if under $60 to be collected.

If you are importing something that's more than $60 worth of GST then that's why they charge it.


 


As I recall, (and was kind of my initial point)  NZ Customs only went after Duty (and subsequent GST) on large shipments/items, however the lower cap was some sort of unwritten/unpublished/unknown figure.  They then mandated the $50 (and now $60) enforcement rule and has since enforced it on a more active basis.

It's still Duty + GST,  The IRD don't really need to change the rules, as the rules have always been there (and I should know after bringing a flat-lot of household items back into the country from Australia).

In fact, from the NZ Customs link from my earlier post "Imported goods, such as those purchased on eBay and other international websites, may be subject to the payment of duty and/or GST."

Out of personal experience, NZ Customs are very reasonable when it comes to their Duty/GST charges though, I ended up by paying less than a third of what I expected to pay in Duty+GST+Import fees when my stuff arrived.

http://www.customs.govt.nz/travellers/Arriving+in+New+Zealand/Customs+Charges.htm is another good reference to where GST comes into the picture.

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  Reply # 430840 25-Jan-2011 08:30 Send private message

Has anybody had to pay the new $24.75 import transaction fee and $12.50 biosecurity fee on goods that are exempt from GST and duty?

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  Reply # 430852 25-Jan-2011 08:50 Send private message

mikerussellnz: Not a lot over $400, order is $411 before shipping, $446 including shipping.  I does seem a huge jump going from $0 payable to $120 payable between $399 and $450.

It may be good for the economy but it's not for the consumer when a lot of items are just not available here full stop.

Can't split the order up as its a single electronic device. 

 

You have to pay GST on all goods and services, so I'm pretty sure that includes shipping, insurance and even duties (if applicable).  So, GST alone you're looking at about $67.  Then there's the $25.30 transaction fee and $12.77 biosecurity levy.  Already you're up to $105.  You don't say what kind of item you're buying, but could be subject to 5% duty.

411 x 1.05 (duty) = 431.55 + 35 (shipping) = 466.55 x 1.15 (GST) = 536.53 + 25.30 + 12.77 = 574.60 (i.e. $128.60 more than you'd expect).

Which part of that calculation do you not find fair?

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