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  Reply # 665440 1-Aug-2012 14:17 Send private message

mroarsome: I think the majority forget what is like being in a flatting situation... in my flat last year I lived with 4 other boys and being "full time" students had plenty of spare time. We used Vodafone's Unlimited Naked DSL offering towards the end of the year and would easily hit 300+ GB a month. It's not hard when you consider every student seems to have either a xbox/ps3 or both, watches EVERYTHING online either streaming or downloading and a LOT of spare time even if they are doing a double degree triple major. I know students probably aren't the current target market for these companies but I don't think this same scenario is all that uncommon in a family household. 

I too was hoping for much larger data caps at a reasonable price, I love the idea that everyone in the household could potentially game and download at the same time (not possible without pulling out your hair on current ADSL technology), with wholesale data rates coming down year after year I don't think its unreasonable to offer consumer plans with data caps in the 100s rather than the 10s of GBs.

A 300GB+ UFB plan for around the $100 mark would be great to see sometime soon (similar to current ADSL offerings), 30GB data cap is more like what our mobile data caps should be!



LOL and I would like the new Audi RS4 to be $20,000 as this would suit me.. I think you are being wildly unrealistic. Just because you use a lot, doesn't necessarily mean you will pay less. If you drove Auckland to Wellington 10 times, would you expect your petrol to get cheaper?

Ultimately companies need to make money as well. 

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  Reply # 665459 1-Aug-2012 14:35 Send private message

In a flatting situation I think the pricing is even better! For instance, for $70 over the standard pricing you can get an additional 550GB. In a flat of 4 that's ~140GB each for only $17.50 additional per person! Sounds pretty reasonable to me!

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  Reply # 665526 1-Aug-2012 15:54 Send private message

Now Snap are offering a voip service with their ufb plans - any chance we will see it offered with naked adsl or even as a standalone product?

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  Reply # 665528 1-Aug-2012 16:00 Send private message

farcus: Now Snap are offering a voip service with their ufb plans - any chance we will see it offered with naked adsl or even as a standalone product?


There would be very little point in an ISP offering ‘naked’ fibre since the cost of providing it is virtually the same. They might as well throw in a voip line to try and get some extra revenue.

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  Reply # 665545 1-Aug-2012 16:21 Send private message

Nice to see another ISP offering UFB service, Does however leave me with a few questions.

How is the VOIP provided? Is it ISP managed through the ONT or just access to an SIP account?

Is swapping of plans allowed? In particular cap and speed.

Is the termination charge based on the base rate or including extra data spending per month?

Are you able to provision installs to houses down a shared driveway?

Are you charging for the physical connection?

These are the questions I have after a quick browse of this thread and your site, But I do have to say, Snap is looking to be the best UFB option so far.

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  Reply # 665552 1-Aug-2012 16:37 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
farcus: Now Snap are offering a voip service with their ufb plans - any chance we will see it offered with naked adsl or even as a standalone product?


There would be very little point in an ISP offering ‘naked’ fibre since the cost of providing it is virtually the same. They might as well throw in a voip line to try and get some extra revenue.


if you re-read my question you will see I am asking if they will offer their voip service with their naked dsl plans.
They are already offering voip with their ufb plans, so it must be pretty simple to also offer the voip service with naked dsl?

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  Reply # 665558 1-Aug-2012 16:47 Send private message

farcus: Now Snap are offering a voip service with their ufb plans - any chance we will see it offered with naked adsl or even as a standalone product?


im switching to VDSL because they offer Voip with it, $135 for 150GB data, free voice mail, free caller id, free call waiting and VOIP phone line, not to bad

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  Reply # 665561 1-Aug-2012 16:52 Send private message

farcus:
NonprayingMantis:
farcus: Now Snap are offering a voip service with their ufb plans - any chance we will see it offered with naked adsl or even as a standalone product?


There would be very little point in an ISP offering ‘naked’ fibre since the cost of providing it is virtually the same. They might as well throw in a voip line to try and get some extra revenue.


if you re-read my question you will see I am asking if they will offer their voip service with their naked dsl plans.
They are already offering voip with their ufb plans, so it must be pretty simple to also offer the voip service with naked dsl?


Simple, yes. Guaranteed performance? No.

VoIP delivered over a EUBO0 DSL connection is a best effort service. If Chorus ever chose to actually introduce handover dimensioning on EUBA (right now there is in effect no CIR on EUBA0) providers who have deployed mass market VoIP products over EUBA0 could easily see their world implode.

EUBA plans with CIR exist, however most people aren't going to want to pay the costs required for a EUBA180 plan that offers 802.1p tagging of voice and provides 180kbps of guaranteed bandwidth to ensure QoS.

With UFB many plans offer a decent CIR which is accesible using 802.1p tags, so delivering a voice service with guaranteed QoS becomes very easy.

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  Reply # 665565 1-Aug-2012 16:54 Send private message

 

LOL and I would like the new Audi RS4 to be $20,000 as this would suit me.. I think you are being wildly unrealistic. Just because you use a lot, doesn't necessarily mean you will pay less. If you drove Auckland to Wellington 10 times, would you expect your petrol to get cheaper?

Ultimately companies need to make money as well. 


I would not disagree with your analogy as you are 100% correct, but just my personal expectations were not met with what is being proposed. The government touted UFB as bringing NZ into the 21st century and our internet inline with the rest of the OCED, but data caps and international speeds were one of the main contributing factors to why NZ internet was ranked one of the worst. 

What's the point spending NZ$1.5 billion of tax payers money to deliver super-fast internet with the same low data caps that cripples current ADSL technology that only a select few can utilise. 

I wish the Government had instead invested the money into an additional undersea cable, international speeds and data caps are the real issue.

I stop ranting now... Carry on...





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  Reply # 665573 1-Aug-2012 17:08 Send private message

mattRSK: Outside coverage area. Yet the school next door is connected.


Because public services have a higher priority

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  Reply # 665656 1-Aug-2012 18:42 Send private message

At least in NZ you don't have 'unlimited' with a fair usage policy!  Before I moved here in 2010 I would often get letters from my provider if I exceeded 100Gb in a month.  Even though it was classed as unlimited, the fair usage was around 100/120GB per month and if you exceeded that you where throttled for the next month.  Here the caps are significantly higher and I know what I have available!

The new snap caps are perfectly fine.  I have 250GB a month and I'm only using 30% of that really... I keep it there just in case!

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  Reply # 665666 1-Aug-2012 19:02 Send private message

Sigh. I wish Chorus were installing in my area. Central Auckland suburbs, too far from the exchange for VDSL, no date yet for UFB. :(

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  Reply # 665679 1-Aug-2012 19:19 Send private message

Got my vdsl fixed today so hopefully it will go a little faster with DLM, But damn chorus for not installing fiber here in any of the first 3 years of it! even better upload speeds would be so nice.




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  Reply # 665681 1-Aug-2012 19:29 Send private message

Plenty of euro nations such as Finland and Sweden offer 100mb FTTH packages for ~USD$50, let alone that you've been able to get uncapped 100mb plans in places like Hong Kong for a decade at that price point or lower.

Finland in particular is a great comparison because it's population is only slightly higher than NZ's, has a larger geographical area, and virtually identical population density.

Yes I expect the price to be slightly higher due to our geographical isolation, but what we have is taking the piss.

Given the current pricing of SCC bandwidth and CFH wholesale connections I strongly believe than an NZ ISP could provide a 100/50 connection with unlimited national and 1TB international data for under NZD$150 retail and still make a _MODEST_ profit on it.


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  Reply # 665687 1-Aug-2012 19:40 Send private message

Lias: Plenty of euro nations such as Finland and Sweden offer 100mb FTTH packages for ~USD$50, let alone that you've been able to get uncapped 100mb plans in places like Hong Kong for a decade at that price point or lower.

Finland in particular is a great comparison because it's population is only slightly higher than NZ's, has a larger geographical area, and virtually identical population density.

Yes I expect the price to be slightly higher due to our geographical isolation, but what we have is taking the piss.

Given the current pricing of SCC bandwidth and CFH wholesale connections I strongly believe than an NZ ISP could provide a 100/50 connection with unlimited national and 1TB international data for under NZD$150 retail and still make a _MODEST_ profit on it.




This is New Zealand not Europe. 

Solution : Move to Europe or Hong Kong or buy your own international and have as much traffic as you like. 



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