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  Reply # 666388 2-Aug-2012 17:01 Send private message

linw: I see the Fritzbox has an ADSL/VDSL modem front end so does this get disabled for a UFB connection?




as richms said devices like these can function as a DSL OR Ethernet router at a time.

You can only use it as one of these at a time, However I do not believe Snap would limit the DSL functionality of the device via any other means, So VDSL functionality of the device would still be there if you chose to move to VDSL instead.

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  Reply # 666410 2-Aug-2012 17:38 Send private message

Regarding data caps: why would UFB change anything for ISPs' data pricing? They still have to deal with and divvy up data, in fact they now have to do it even faster... (excuse the non technical simpification).

I do not question the arguments for higher caps for those that demand them, but UFB being available doesn't mean they will suddenly change their data cap business models. 

The main thinking from consumers though would be that: faster = more data use = more demand for data = ISP must ease (and eventually free) the data shackles!
This will (I believe) happen over time, but not right at the beginning of the UFB rollout. (from distant school memory that will go something like the first half of a bell curve? )

The elephant in a room somewhere waiting to catch a slow boat from more populous (profitable) countries is content rights and distribution. This is the most immediate driver of data usage at this point. (until we can stream the elephant through the interpipes that is!)


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  Reply # 666581 2-Aug-2012 22:20 Send private message

Thanks rich and lucky. Not familiar with this device but seems like a swiss army knife! Drawback would be having no spare LAN ports but I guess many people would already have a router to add.

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  Reply # 666589 2-Aug-2012 22:29 Send private message

Only need a switch, not a router. They are dirt cheap now. I recall paying about $350 for a 8 port one and you can get them for under $70 now.




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  Reply # 666592 2-Aug-2012 22:36 Send private message

Yes, true, a switch is all you need. I will have to re-commission the switch I packed away after I replaced it with the 4 port modem/router.

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  Reply # 666640 2-Aug-2012 23:58 Send private message

linw: Yes, true, a switch is all you need. I will have to re-commission the switch I packed away after I replaced it with the 4 port modem/router.


For the 30Mbit service a 100Mbit switch should be sufficient however a Gigabit switch would be advisable for a 100Mbit service.

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  Reply # 666729 3-Aug-2012 09:38 Send private message

Noted. I will be going for the 30Mb version so my 100Mb switch will be OK.

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  Reply # 667338 4-Aug-2012 03:04 Send private message

Personally I think data caps are rubbish for UFB too I am not a high user but lets be realistic what's the point of enabling high speed internet through fibre if the only advantage is getting to your cap faster. It was campaigned as bringing us into a place to be in line with other countries small data caps are not it.

All those going on about most people use 40 or 50 gig or less may be right but UFB is not really needed for the very low end data users. Sure you could argue they may want to be able to stream in HD quality too but low data caps are not really going to be good for that unless you only stream a few shows or movies a month in HD.

At peak last year I was downloading / streaming up to 15 shows a week in my household (1 adult, 2 teens) this does not include any movies or games I may have bought off Steam or through the Xbox or the online gaming associated with these.

Without increased data caps there is not a whole lot of enabling going on at all. I would like to see for any UFB plans a minimum of 100gig as this way I could utilise HD streaming or downloading of content, cloud services, gaming through any of the 3 Xbox's in the house at the same time or a mix of all of these.

This is not a nag at Snap I find both their service and product (especially the pricing of their data add ons) very good.

I just would have thought some thought went into this side of things when setting UFB up with providers. $1.5 Billion is not a small amount to invest but if most people are still limited by either by overall cost or average / limiting data caps why bother paying extra for it.

I would rather have seen this money spent on a second pipe into NZ (how this could not be seen as part of a necessity for moving into the future with the Internet is beyond me) and making internet access available at better speeds (via making it affordable for everyone to be using the better speed options not just the rich) but I suppose that's not ever been a priority for this government.

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  Reply # 667402 4-Aug-2012 11:52 Send private message

I get the feeling that UFB is more being done for content providers than interenet users. I expect that igloo etc will be big users of it.




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  Reply # 667567 4-Aug-2012 18:40 Send private message

jtbthatsme: Personally I think data caps are rubbish for UFB too I am not a high user but lets be realistic what's the point of enabling high speed internet through fibre if the only advantage is getting to your cap faster. It was campaigned as bringing us into a place to be in line with other countries small data caps are not it.


How about user experience (High Def Video, VOIP etc)? How about increased upload speeds (The number one limitation I think facing NZ Businesses with Internet Connections? Increased upload speeds and lower latency mean that working remotely is a viable option which will improve NZ business profitability, increase employment potentially and make for a happier workforce. 

UFB is NOT just a consumer upgrade! It was designed to improve NZ productivity, experience and ability to compete in the world wide economy, and who does that? NZ Businesses, that's who! The reality that businesses aren't using massive amounts of data, but they want a better experience.

You need to stop thinking about just yourself. 


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  Reply # 667602 4-Aug-2012 20:32 Send private message

Does a second pipeline into NZ not allow for these things too??? As there would be less strain on the SCE. VOIP is something i've been using for years and is a low data use item and can and has been delivered by at least 1 company at carrier grade level (borrowed this from several VOIP discussions regarding WXC) so again low users do not get a lot of gain from UFB at all.

You mention High Def Video umm i'm quite sure HD Video downloading or streaming makes for a quite high amount of data again not something that is taken into account with the UFB offerings to date.

Companies productivity could also be increased by video conferencing as well between several offices again over time using a significant amount of data so it's not just a thinking of myself scenario here many people would be thinking the caps are low it's supposed to be moving with the times and allowing people (whether it's business or personal) to be able to use their connections how they want to and with limiting restrictive caps this is not how UFB works out. It just serves those who can afford to pay premium prices. As for upload speeds there's quite a few options for 10Mbits upload speeds VDSL, Telstraclear for example.

Lets talk about businiesses you're absolutely right that they want better experiences too maybe the bulk of them would like to use cloud computing for regular backups (more data) instead of using other methods like a external hard drive in the office or similar it all boils down to data use. Just because mum, dad and the grandparents may only send a few emails here and there. A lot of people and businesses could all have better experiences with better data caps better for business and end users because it results in exactly what it was marketed as enabling people and businesses to use it how they want.

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  Reply # 667662 5-Aug-2012 01:42 Send private message

RalphFromSnap:
allio: What's the minimum contract term on these?


The minimum contract term is 12months, however the 24 month contract gets you our supported CPE (Fritz!Box 7340) for FREE!


I very nearly got caught out. I was just completing the checkout details when I decided to check the FAQ's.

Q: Can I move house without breaking my UFB contract?A: Unfortunately not, as this is a brand new service and not available in all areas the contract term applies to that specific connection.

This needs to be specified in the information about the plans, not buried in the FAQ's. 

So, if I am reading this right, if I move house within the period of the contract, even if I am moving to a house with UFB, I would have to cancel the first contract, pay out the penalty, then start a new contract?

Also - Snap, you need to look at the page you link to for calling rates: https://myaccount.snap.net.nz/info/callingrates
It shows local calls as free and national calls to both landlines and mobile as $0.00/min.
That makes it very tempting to sign up but I'm sure its wrong Wink



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  Reply # 667665 5-Aug-2012 06:24 Send private message

jtbthatsme: Does a second pipeline into NZ not allow for these things too??? As there would be less strain on the SCE. VOIP is something i've been using for years and is a low data use item and can and has been delivered by at least 1 company at carrier grade level (borrowed this from several VOIP discussions regarding WXC) so again low users do not get a lot of gain from UFB at all.

You mention High Def Video umm i'm quite sure HD Video downloading or streaming makes for a quite high amount of data again not something that is taken into account with the UFB offerings to date.

Companies productivity could also be increased by video conferencing as well between several offices again over time using a significant amount of data so it's not just a thinking of myself scenario here many people would be thinking the caps are low it's supposed to be moving with the times and allowing people (whether it's business or personal) to be able to use their connections how they want to and with limiting restrictive caps this is not how UFB works out. It just serves those who can afford to pay premium prices. As for upload speeds there's quite a few options for 10Mbits upload speeds VDSL, Telstraclear for example.

Lets talk about businiesses you're absolutely right that they want better experiences too maybe the bulk of them would like to use cloud computing for regular backups (more data) instead of using other methods like a external hard drive in the office or similar it all boils down to data use. Just because mum, dad and the grandparents may only send a few emails here and there. A lot of people and businesses could all have better experiences with better data caps better for business and end users because it results in exactly what it was marketed as enabling people and businesses to use it how they want.



I'm not sure where yo get the idea that the only UFB plans have incredibly low datacaps. The 30GB plans are only entry level for people who don't use all that much internet. There are plenty of other options for larger users. Orcon have  a 200GB plan and a 1TB plan.  Snap also have around 500GB.
they should be more than sufficient for anyone who wants to download hours and hours of streaming video or do heaps of video conferencing..


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  Reply # 667677 5-Aug-2012 07:49 Send private message

I am not talking about the add on pricing. I am talking solely about the entry level caps. I think we're all able to realise that if you have a whole lot of cash to spend each month on internet costs you can get speed and data galore. How many times is one expected to pay for the ability to be able to use it as intended??? There's for some new modem costs, new wiring in home, new monthly charge (most likely higher than they're paying now). Then there's the added taxes (local body, regional and nationally in one or more of those every tax payer is paying).

My point is that it was supposed to be a step for NZ as a whole to be on par internationally with speeds and services. If the offerings for you're initial outlay are similar for what you already have available why would any low user upgrade. Why would you invest $1.5 Billion to make something that is not attractive and affordable to all potential customers whether they're low or high users.

As it's already been pointed out most NZ'ers are actually going to fit into that 30gig and under range. So where's the incentive for these low users to upgrade. Like I said previously VOIP has been around for years and HD content is high bandwidth use. It's not simply a case of watching streaming a lot of content to blow out a cap of 30 gig if memory serves I've read over a lot of places (GZ included) streaming HD is about 2 gig per hour. There goes watching the news each night or a few movies a week. What about those other services like cloud computing like to keep your music online or use a streaming service like Spotify (although premium paid service can be downloaded and saved offline).

Don't get me wrong I like the idea as it was marketed but I just think implementation is a little off and that it should be for all not just the ones with deep pockets that get to use it as intended.

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  Reply # 667679 5-Aug-2012 08:00 Send private message

One thing I find archaic about the residential plans, is that if you go over your cap you get slowed down to 64kbps.






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