Its Official - Sky are splashing the cash for new stuff - but it comes at a short term HD cost!

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#1127659 13-Sep-2014 09:30

I am pleased I quit Sky.....why do customers put up with this crap....they pay extra/month for HD capable set tops and extra again for HD content when it isnt really.

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#1127713 13-Sep-2014 10:59

I guess it's because HD is a nice vague term used for anything with a higher quality than SD. I don't think SKY actually say FullHD so they have an out.

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#1127729 13-Sep-2014 11:28

mattbush: they pay extra/month for HD capable set tops and extra again for HD content when it isnt really.

but 1440x1080i is still considered HD, its just not Full HD, just like 720p/i is still considered HD

its just not your definition of HD

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#1127878 13-Sep-2014 15:05

I haven't notice the difference myself. I have my Sony handycam set to 1440x1080i as I couldn't really see any difference when it was set to 1920x1080i, and I can get many more hours on the small internal hard drive.

I am viewing via a 3 year old LG 55" LED 100Hz TV and can't really notice the reduction in resolution. Probably a side by side test would show it up.

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#1127879 13-Sep-2014 15:08

DickDastardly: From reading this there are obviously some key talking points

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1) The Short Term sacrifice to HD Channels - showing them at 1440x1080i rather than the 1920x1080i standard.

Rats looks like I kind of called it http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=150977&page_no=5#1115354 how long for HQHD or FullHD to be labeled as an extra feature?

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#1127904 13-Sep-2014 15:44

seems to be pretty common over seas including the BBC in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite

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#1127905 13-Sep-2014 15:47

insane: I guess it's because HD is a nice vague term used for anything with a higher quality than SD. I don't think SKY actually say FullHD so they have an out.

I remember about 6 years ago the Ozzy networks called 576P HD..

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#1127933 13-Sep-2014 16:33

Sadly it's not public TV so it's always going to be served up to suit the average Joe Bloggs who won't know much of a difference. They're a business and $$ comes before anything else and satellite capacity isn't cheap.

Eventually that's the path TVNZ will take too. The more it's privatised.

I'm having the delima of an online audio stream. It sounds awesome at 320Kbps from a library that is all Linear PCM. In reality though, it's just a waste of money at 320Kbps. AAC 64 stereo suits most people and uses far less bandwidth. Sad, but reality.

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#1127995 13-Sep-2014 18:16

trig42:
kiwifidget:
TwoSeven: Would also really like to see Sky NZ provide a SkyGO service on the Apple TV.
My PS3 has got 1080p output but my AppleTV2 only does 720p. The PS3 also has TV1 on Demand and Quikflix already as services, so I would like to think Sky might consider competing there sooner rather than later.

The AppleTV3 has 1080P and there are thousands of them out there. ATV apps are a great way to get content to the big screen, but they need to be invited by Apple to create one apparently (from the Lightbox thread).

PS and Xbox apps are a great idea too.

Yes, I brought Xbox up regarding nz sky and tvnz support at TechEd when asking about why we didn't get the new dvb-t tuner that was released in Europe.

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#1130335 16-Sep-2014 22:52

I can confirm some resolution details. Sport 1 & 2 are 1440x1080. Sport 3,4,5,6,7 are still 1920x1080.

That seems back to front to me. The more important games are on sport 1 & 2 and that is lower than the rest!

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#1130376 17-Sep-2014 02:31

rlevis: Does the My-Sky support MPEG-4 but not the older decoders?

Hi Ross.

The My-Sky units do.

The newer Pace units may.

Older one's such as the Motorolla small one's (side CAM) and acient one's like the really old Pace units don't as far as I'm aware.

Sky use both MPEG2 usign DVB-S and MPEG4 with DVB-S2 8PSK gear on different transponders. I would imagine the DVB-S one's will go DVB-S2 and to 8PSK like their MPEG4 one's but still in SD for their current SD basic offerings. This will save on bandwidth at least 50% on those transponders. After that if it's suitable for NZ, I would say they may consider 16PSK as the next move, maybe.

Optus D10 doesn't have any Sky LNB's looking at it so I doubt we'll Sky on it. It's probably more for direct TV to Australia and remote IP connectivity. There's a few transpodners for NZ but I'd imagine mainly feeds and IP. If they were going to buy capacity on it, it would cause all sorts of problems with their PVR's I'd imagine. Otherwise it would have made more sense to co-orbit it with D1. So I can't see Sky on D10, unless they want to go after the Aussie market.

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#1131016 17-Sep-2014 21:05

kiwirock:
Optus D10 doesn't have any Sky LNB's looking at it so I doubt we'll Sky on it. It's probably more for direct TV to Australia and remote IP connectivity. There's a few transpodners for NZ but I'd imagine mainly feeds and IP. If they were going to buy capacity on it, it would cause all sorts of problems with their PVR's I'd imagine. Otherwise it would have made more sense to co-orbit it with D1. So I can't see Sky on D10, unless they want to go after the Aussie market.

I wonder what place Optus D3 has in all this - Sky have a test channel on 999 after all..

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#1131047 17-Sep-2014 21:49

kiwirock: So I can't see Sky on D10, unless they want to go after the Aussie market.

I can't see that happening. Sky actually purchases quite a lot of Foxtel content, and has quite a lot of contractual agreements in place with them (as they previously shared an owner). It's unlikely they'd bite the hand that feeds them so to speak.

Plus, as they'd have nothing to differentiate from Foxtel except higher prices, it'd be pointless.

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#1131125 18-Sep-2014 01:24

Flippikat:
kiwirock:
Optus D10 doesn't have any Sky LNB's looking at it so I doubt we'll Sky on it. It's probably more for direct TV to Australia and remote IP connectivity. There's a few transpodners for NZ but I'd imagine mainly feeds and IP. If they were going to buy capacity on it, it would cause all sorts of problems with their PVR's I'd imagine. Otherwise it would have made more sense to co-orbit it with D1. So I can't see Sky on D10, unless they want to go after the Aussie market.

I wonder what place Optus D3 has in all this - Sky have a test channel on 999 after all..

The capacity on D3 (C1 if I remember years ago) was orginally after the Optus B1 satellite grizzled then croaked. C1 became the backup plan.

If they were to use capacity on it for general broadcast, I think it would still cause problems with My-Sky. I know the twin LNB units have multiple cables coming out of them but I'm not sure if each output also has a seperate switched D1/D3 system in them. If they only have a single switch in them, you couldn't tape D1 while watching D3 etc... Someone else may be able to comment on the twin LNB's internal arragement.

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