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#552433 1-Dec-2011 22:20

oxnsox: OK... soo lets say this isn't implemented thru Telcos here.
What chance is there of this happening when you roam to the USA via either a SIM update or by inserting a local pre-pay SIM????

I'm not aware of any way that they could download software to your phone via. the SIM.

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#552449 1-Dec-2011 23:59

Seems to be only installed in US smartphones including iOS. Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

http://blog.chpwn.com/post/13572216737?831dd5c8

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#552451 2-Dec-2011 00:04

oxnsox: OK... soo lets say this isn't implemented thru Telcos here.
What chance is there of this happening when you roam to the USA via either a SIM update or by inserting a local pre-pay SIM????

The carriers can do some really funky stuff with OTA updates and baseband stuff. Can't say anything for sure other than it is possible to do

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#552452 2-Dec-2011 00:04

billgates: Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

Nope, see this post from earlier in the thread. Its not quite CIQ but similar. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...

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#552482 2-Dec-2011 06:55

I think this is the equivalent of having faulty airbags in Cadillacs. Really wont affect anyone outside of the US unless you import a Caddy.

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#552487 2-Dec-2011 07:35

codyc1515:
billgates: Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

Nope, see this post from earlier in the thread. Its not quite CIQ but similar. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...

You completely missed the point. They are very different things.

Windows Phone has an OPT-IN feature in Settings, called Feedback. It can be user switched ON and OFF. There's also a checkbox "Use my mobile data connection to send feedback".

On the other hand Carrier IQ is invisible to users and can not be easily disabled. It makes me think about all those people who bought imported (from the US) Android and iPhone devices to use here in New Zealand...

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#552495 2-Dec-2011 08:33

Another thought what about kindles? They have cell in them and come form the US? Though they do have a much smaller use case and Amazon is already knowily in control or storing the majority of it anyway

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#552497 2-Dec-2011 08:35

It makes me think about all those people who bought imported (from the US) Android and iPhone devices to use here in New Zealand...

Mind you I bet its confusing the hell out of the spooks in the US, " Nah, Yeah Bro, takin the Commodore loaded with p1ss up to the Naki"

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#552517 2-Dec-2011 09:53

freitasm:
codyc1515:
billgates: Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

Nope, see this post from earlier in the thread. Its not quite CIQ but similar. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...

You completely missed the point. They are very different things.

Windows Phone has an OPT-IN feature in Settings, called Feedback. It can be user switched ON and OFF. There's also a checkbox "Use my mobile data connection to send feedback".

On the other hand Carrier IQ is invisible to users and can not be easily disabled. It makes me think about all those people who bought imported (from the US) Android and iPhone devices to use here in New Zealand...

Nope, I think you have missed it. It has been pointed out time and time again that it is not enabled by default in iOS and when it is enabled it sends much less information than the Android version, also you can opt out in iOS vs. in Android you can't.

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#552519 2-Dec-2011 09:54

codyc1515:
freitasm:
codyc1515:
billgates: Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

Nope, see this post from earlier in the thread. Its not quite CIQ but similar. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...

You completely missed the point. They are very different things.

Windows Phone has an OPT-IN feature in Settings, called Feedback. It can be user switched ON and OFF. There's also a checkbox "Use my mobile data connection to send feedback".

On the other hand Carrier IQ is invisible to users and can not be easily disabled. It makes me think about all those people who bought imported (from the US) Android and iPhone devices to use here in New Zealand...

Nope, I think you have missed it. It has been pointed out time and time again that it is not enabled by default in iOS and when it is enabled it sends much less information than the Android version, also you can opt out in iOS vs. in Android you can't.

Are you serious or just trolling now? Because there's a clause in the FUG about trolling, and I am about to touch the button.

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#552522 2-Dec-2011 09:57

freitasm:
codyc1515:
freitasm:
codyc1515:
billgates: Windows Phone is the only OS which does not have CIQ installed.

Nope, see this post from earlier in the thread. Its not quite CIQ but similar. (Puts on tinfoil hat)

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...

You completely missed the point. They are very different things.

Windows Phone has an OPT-IN feature in Settings, called Feedback. It can be user switched ON and OFF. There's also a checkbox "Use my mobile data connection to send feedback".

On the other hand Carrier IQ is invisible to users and can not be easily disabled. It makes me think about all those people who bought imported (from the US) Android and iPhone devices to use here in New Zealand...

Nope, I think you have missed it. It has been pointed out time and time again that it is not enabled by default in iOS and when it is enabled it sends much less information than the Android version, also you can opt out in iOS vs. in Android you can't.

Are you serious or just trolling now? Because there's a clause in the FUG about trolling, and I am about to touch the button.

Not trolling, look here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57334575-17/carrier-iq-tracking-iphone-customers-too-hacker-says/

"However, Chpwn seems to believe that Carrier IQ works much differently on the iPhone. In fact, disabling its tracking in iOS is as simple as tapping over to the "Diagnostics and Usage" menu in the settings pane and toggling it off. Upon doing so, Chpwn says, no information is shared with Carrier IQ."

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#552523 2-Dec-2011 09:58

My "you missed the point" was in direct reply to your comment about Windows Phone having some sort of "spying tool", which is not the case.

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#552525 2-Dec-2011 10:00

freitasm: My "you missed the point" was in direct reply to your comment about Windows Phone having some sort of "spying tool", which is not the case.

Ah, OK. From what I read it doesn't have Carrier IQ but it has something else (which collects less information).

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#552527 2-Dec-2011 10:03

codyc1515:
freitasm: My "you missed the point" was in direct reply to your comment about Windows Phone having some sort of "spying tool", which is not the case.

Ah, OK. From what I read it doesn't have Carrier IQ but it has something else (which collects less information).

And that something is opt-in, and not hidden, and Microsoft clearly keeps talking to people about all the telemetry data they collect.

Nothing to see here, citizen. Stop wearing your tinfoil hat (in specific relation to the Windows Phone) and move along.

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#552540 2-Dec-2011 10:58

Apple:

“We stopped supporting Carrier IQ with iOS 5 in most of our products and will remove it completely in a future software update. With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, customers must actively opt-in to share this information, and if they do, the data is sent in an anonymous and encrypted form and does not include any personal information. We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so.”

Source: http://allthingsd.com/20111201/apple-we-stopped-supporting-carrieriq-with-ios-5/

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