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#2536304 7-Aug-2020 15:46

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wellygary:

OK so the executive order has been signed meaning it will be illegal in 45 days for any US citizen or Company to engage in any "transaction" with Tiktok...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-posed-tiktok/

BUT: and here is the kicker, he also signed one for Wechat, which could cause a real headache for Chinese ex-pat communities in the US...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-posed-wechat/

That's a massive kicker! Considering the holding company for WeChat has 40% stake in Epic Games (Fortnite), 80% ownership in the New Zealand company Grinding Gear Games, and The company that makes Call of Duty Mobile.

The Tencent order talks about "any transaction that is related to WeChat " so the gaming stuff should be excluded...,,,

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#2536308 7-Aug-2020 15:52

I could be reading it wrong

"any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings Ltd. (a.k.a. Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), Shenzhen, China, or any subsidiary of that entity, as identified by the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary) under section 1(c) of this order."

"with Tencent Holdings Ltd. (a.k.a. Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), Shenzhen, China, or any subsidiary of that entity" < being that any subsidiary of Tencent Holdings is all-encompassing

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#2536313 7-Aug-2020 16:11

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I could be reading it wrong

"any transaction that is related to WeChat by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with Tencent Holdings Ltd. (a.k.a. Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), Shenzhen, China, or any subsidiary of that entity, as identified by the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary) under section 1(c) of this order."

"with Tencent Holdings Ltd. (a.k.a. Téngxùn Kònggǔ Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), Shenzhen, China, or any subsidiary of that entity" < being that any subsidiary of Tencent Holdings is all-encompassing

Tencent have direct 100% gaming holdings in the US, such as the recently established lightspeed LA,

https://www.engadget.com/tencent-launhes-lightspeed-la-game-studio-192955579.html

I think all h&ll would break loose if these ended up being shuttered under this order...

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#2536319 7-Aug-2020 16:23

From my perspective this I think this is a strike in a war between America and China for commercial dominance. America have seen their "god" given right to lead the technological world eroded by an upstart.

Huawei build better 5G kit than any American company, ban them, and yes I know about the "security" concerns, and I also knew about the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq ! Tik Tok and WeChat, are very popular but not made in America hence they must be "bad". In America the personal data captured by apps like Linkedin, Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google etc can and is sold. Remember Cambridge Analytica using Facebook data to target voters in the UK.

Tik Tok data on the other hand isn't sold in the same manner for capitalist gain, but obviously somebody has seen an opportunity. Potentially every tech company in China will be targeted over the next few months/years if Trump remains as president.

DJI the drone manufacturer is also in strife in the US for similar "security" reasons, presumably "micro mapping" the US and sending the data back home, prior to a Chinese invasion. Yeah right..

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#2536322 7-Aug-2020 16:37

prevaljo:

DJI the drone manufacturer is also in strife in the US for similar "security" reasons, presumably "micro mapping" the US and sending the data back home, prior to a Chinese invasion. Yeah right..

Don't worry Strava beat them to it a few years ago anyway... :)

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#2537677 10-Aug-2020 10:14

prevaljo:

From my perspective this I think this is a strike in a war between America and China for commercial dominance. America have seen their "god" given right to lead the technological world eroded by an upstart.

Huawei build better 5G kit than any American company, ban them, and yes I know about the "security" concerns, and I also knew about the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq ! Tik Tok and WeChat, are very popular but not made in America hence they must be "bad". In America the personal data captured by apps like Linkedin, Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google etc can and is sold. Remember Cambridge Analytica using Facebook data to target voters in the UK.

Tik Tok data on the other hand isn't sold in the same manner for capitalist gain, but obviously somebody has seen an opportunity. Potentially every tech company in China will be targeted over the next few months/years if Trump remains as president.

DJI the drone manufacturer is also in strife in the US for similar "security" reasons, presumably "micro mapping" the US and sending the data back home, prior to a Chinese invasion. Yeah right..

I think there is more to it than that, from my reading on the topic its more or less because these companies must if requested hand over any data to the CCP with no limits or due process, the US are worried about leverage this could cause.
While US companies do collect data in similar ways to Tik Tok they are not tied in with the government and can refuse request for data ie Apple refusing to unlock the phones for the FBI.

Don't forget practically every silicon valley tech web company is banned in china already google, facebook etc.

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#2537722 10-Aug-2020 10:38

Whether you like or support bad orange man's actions, it's pretty indisputable that the CCP are in fact not nice people (tm) with little regard for democracy, who regularly disappear people into gulags for mandatory organ donation, have laws that require companies to hand over any data requested or end up in a gulag, and sponsors a large amount of digital espionage. You can not like Trump (or even the USA all that much) and still think a crackdown on Chinese apps is probably a good thing.

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#2537757 10-Aug-2020 11:08

prevaljo:

Huawei build better 5G kit than any American company, ban them, and yes I know about the "security" concerns, and I also knew about the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq ! Tik Tok and WeChat, are very popular but not made in America hence they must be "bad". In America the personal data captured by apps like Linkedin, Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, Google etc can and is sold. Remember Cambridge Analytica using Facebook data to target voters in the UK.

So did Facebook & Insta ban pro LGBT content, even in countries where it is not illegal? You didn't know that about Tik Tok huh?

They might have changed that policy after they got caught but you're kidding yourself if you think fear of the CCP doesn't influence Tik Tok's content moderation. The CCP are all about social control and zombifying people. The fact that Trump is about those things too doesn't make the CCP any less cancerous.

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#2537770 10-Aug-2020 11:29

arcon:

So did Facebook & Insta ban pro LGBT content, even in countries where it is not illegal? You didn't know that about Tik Tok huh?

They might have changed that policy after they got caught but you're kidding yourself if you think fear of the CCP doesn't influence Tik Tok's content moderation. The CCP are all about social control and zombifying people. The fact that Trump is about those things too doesn't make the CCP any less cancerous.

Honestly, who cares if Tiktok does some censorship we may not agree with. Its a funsie app for a 60sec giggle.
Its not a news service.

Right wing US major news services & TV Network also censor what they show , and are heavily biased to the point of propaganda.

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#2539515 12-Aug-2020 16:21

TiKTok Caught with their hand in cookie jar !
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/511619-tiktok-collected-data-from-mobile-devices-to-track-android-users-report

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A 2018 study from AppCensus, a mobile-app firm that analyzes companies' privacy practices, showed that roughly 1 percent of Android apps collect MAC addresses.

“It’s a way of enabling long-term tracking of users without any ability to opt-out,” Joel Reardon, co-founder of AppCensus, told the Journal. “I don’t see another reason to collect it.”

Back in 2013, Apple safeguarded its phones' MAC addresses and Google did the same with Android phones in 2015. However, TikTok got around this by accessing a backdoor that allows apps to get a phone's MAC address in a roundabout way, the Journal's analysis reveals.
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Ok they say they have not been doing this since Nov 2019, but potential is there , and why not have code of practice and verification for everyone

"The Journal says that TikTok utilized MAC addresses for 15 months, ending with an update in November 2019."

While Trumps reasons for his actions are nothing to be proud of.
The action itself is just to sell the company onto someone else , not address problems anyway.

There is a matter that app vendors have been slurping more than they should, and this needs to be addressed for everyone.

One wonders if its possible to crowdsource an app/community, effectively making it under control of its users , open source and transparent on its dealings.

Update : Missing paragraph paste.

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#2549718 26-Aug-2020 08:10

Multiple outlets are reporting Zuckerberg had a private dinner with Trump in October to brief Trump that ~~competition is bad~~ TikTok is stealing American social media data. The original source appears to be a paywalled Wall Street Journal article linked in this one:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-stoked-washingtons-fears-about-tiktok-2020-08-23

I wish they would get back to improving the security of the iOS and Android platforms and social media instead of carrying on like this.

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#2549828 26-Aug-2020 09:45

ezbee:

One wonders if its possible to crowdsource an app/community, effectively making it under control of its users , open source and transparent on its dealings.

This is something I've been wondering. Why not crowd source the whole ecosystem?

My very basic understanding is that: -

1) Android is based on Linux

2) Linux is open source OS

Therefore would it be possible to crowd source an entire mobile OS? In the initial stages I guess users would be jailbreaking/rooting hardware and loading up a new OS.

To really have uptake, you would need a foundation or similar model (never refer to a Trust in the US!), with the ability to leverage that IP to employee or contract engineers to manage security.

A big question is, how many people/organisations would be willing to pay to use an ecosystem that never collects data?

I suspect not many, and not enough for such a Foundation to compete with the current Tech Giants.

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#2549831 26-Aug-2020 09:56

Edit: Deleted my post because it was of a political nature and doesn’t belong outside that forum.

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#2563696 14-Sep-2020 13:18

Oracle , so what do they want out of a video clip , community. Is Larry Ellison a KPOP Fan

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516240-microsoft-says-bid-to-purchase-tiktok-rejected

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/oracle-is-said-to-win-deal-with-tiktok-e2-80-99s-us-operations/ar-BB18ZQW5

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#2563733 14-Sep-2020 13:57

ezbee:

Oracle , so what do they want out of a video clip , community. Is Larry Ellison a KPOP Fan

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516240-microsoft-says-bid-to-purchase-tiktok-rejected

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/oracle-is-said-to-win-deal-with-tiktok-e2-80-99s-us-operations/ar-BB18ZQW5

Still not sure China will agree to this.... I think there are still more bumps to come in this story ....

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