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Master Geek

#2055128 12-Jul-2018 15:02

nickb800:

My lines company had some glitch in their system which resulted in them changing my tariff from peak/offpeak/night to day/night, ...

Can you please help me finding out anything about that peak/offpeak tariffs? I'm currently on the day/night (uncontrolled/night to be precise) and cannot find anything relevant in the flick's pricing pdf https://assets.ctfassets.net/8pjb06am7y41/1wLbvqeWqUSQi4IMaGG6eS/04e8e44e4c53a607860902a7687570dd/Wellington_Price_Schedule_01_June_2018.pdf

nickb800

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#2055234 12-Jul-2018 17:55

zerkms:

nickb800:

My lines company had some glitch in their system which resulted in them changing my tariff from peak/offpeak/night to day/night, ...

Can you please help me finding out anything about that peak/offpeak tariffs? I'm currently on the day/night (uncontrolled/night to be precise) and cannot find anything relevant in the flick's pricing pdf https://assets.ctfassets.net/8pjb06am7y41/1wLbvqeWqUSQi4IMaGG6eS/04e8e44e4c53a607860902a7687570dd/Wellington_Price_Schedule_01_June_2018.pdf

Sorry but you're out of luck. Wellington Electricity don't offer such a plan, uncontrolled/night is the best they offer. I'm on Electra in Kapiti who offer a better choice of tariff plans

Teeps

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Ultimate Geek

#2055236 12-Jul-2018 18:01

nickb800:

zerkms:

nickb800:

My lines company had some glitch in their system which resulted in them changing my tariff from peak/offpeak/night to day/night, ...

Can you please help me finding out anything about that peak/offpeak tariffs? I'm currently on the day/night (uncontrolled/night to be precise) and cannot find anything relevant in the flick's pricing pdf https://assets.ctfassets.net/8pjb06am7y41/1wLbvqeWqUSQi4IMaGG6eS/04e8e44e4c53a607860902a7687570dd/Wellington_Price_Schedule_01_June_2018.pdf

Sorry but you're out of luck. Wellington Electricity don't offer such a plan, uncontrolled/night is the best they offer. I'm on Electra in Kapiti who offer a better choice of tariff plans

If you have an electric vehicle or battery storage at home Wellington Electricity do offer peak/off peak rates which Flick pass on. Peak hours Monday to Friday 0700-1100 and 1700-2100, the rest (including weekends) is off peak.

gchiu

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#2056846 16-Jul-2018 09:34

Interesting. Do the other power companies pass on this saving?

voy1d

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Master Geek

#2056851 16-Jul-2018 09:40

gchiu:

Interesting. Do the other power companies pass on this saving?

It will depend on your metering configuration I believe. As the recording of usage will be on a separate register the circuit charging the vehicle needs to be on its own circuit, typically if you install a fast charge power point, it's a 15AMP circuit not 10AMP. If you own an electric car and don't have it on a separate circuit, it's difficult to account for when you are charging it thus you won't be able to get that rate.

As for passing it on, the retailer is required to pass on lines charges based on the metering configuration and register codes. If they don't they will likely be in breach of their Use of Systems Agreement with the network owner. This is where Flick got caught out last year when it was discovered they were billing customers incorrectly overnight.

Teeps

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Ultimate Geek

#2056852 16-Jul-2018 09:43

gchiu:
Interesting. Do the other power companies pass on this saving?

There are some others that have an EV Tariff but haven’t discovered any that are doing the new hours for EV and Home Battery yet.

Teeps

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Ultimate Geek

#2056854 16-Jul-2018 09:48

voy1d:

It will depend on your metering configuration I believe. As the recording of usage will be on a separate register the circuit charging the vehicle needs to be on its own circuit, typically if you install a fast charge power point, it's a 15AMP circuit not 10AMP. If you own an electric car and don't have it on a separate circuit, it's difficult to account for when you are charging it thus you won't be able to get that rate.

Not true. To be on the EVB tariff you need to register with them and have a smart meter. All power for your property is charged at the peak/off peak rates, not just the power you use to charge the EV.

gchiu

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#2056867 16-Jul-2018 10:03

And presumably you will need proof of EV ownership.

SBQ

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Master Geek

#2056868 16-Jul-2018 10:05

voy1d:

gchiu:

Interesting. Do the other power companies pass on this saving?

It will depend on your metering configuration I believe. As the recording of usage will be on a separate register the circuit charging the vehicle needs to be on its own circuit, typically if you install a fast charge power point, it's a 15AMP circuit not 10AMP. If you own an electric car and don't have it on a separate circuit, it's difficult to account for when you are charging it thus you won't be able to get that rate.

As for passing it on, the retailer is required to pass on lines charges based on the metering configuration and register codes. If they don't they will likely be in breach of their Use of Systems Agreement with the network owner. This is where Flick got caught out last year when it was discovered they were billing customers incorrectly overnight.

IMO, the breech in agreement between the electricity retailers and the lines operators is not as severe as the breech between retailers and their customers (for incorrect billing to retail customers). The line operators really don't care because they always get paid. Why should they when the incorrect billing is between the retailer and their end users?

As I said before, the whole NZ electricity industry is a sham where prices are open to manipulation. Look at all the posts and questions we have on this thread 100+ which is clear, nothing is transparent in the NZ electricity industry. It's very hard for Flick to sell on a model that promises savings when winter months, prices are at their very highest, AND demand is at their highest (the consumption pattern where the winter months consumes nearly 3/4 of the annual electricity use for virtually all households, and what low prices Flick customer sees in the summer months, well you're not going to save much on only 1/4 of the annual consumption).

Get ready for more higher electricity prices in the future as more and more people switch over to EV.

Teeps

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Ultimate Geek

#2056902 16-Jul-2018 10:11

gchiu:

And presumably you will need proof of EV ownership.

Yes, just need to prove that an EV is registered at the address. My account was changed over next day after buying our EV in February.

With this latest tariff (which started at the beginning of July) they have also added battery storage to the eligibility (4kWh or higher). An EV has to have 12kWh or higher battery to qualify.

voy1d

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Master Geek

#2056903 16-Jul-2018 10:18

Teeps:

voy1d:

It will depend on your metering configuration I believe. As the recording of usage will be on a separate register the circuit charging the vehicle needs to be on its own circuit, typically if you install a fast charge power point, it's a 15AMP circuit not 10AMP. If you own an electric car and don't have it on a separate circuit, it's difficult to account for when you are charging it thus you won't be able to get that rate.

Not true. To be on the EVB tariff you need to register with them and have a smart meter. All power for your property is charged at the peak/off peak rates, not just the power you use to charge the EV.

I stand corrected then. Last time I was involved with this stuff (2-3 years ago) it was all done based on the register code regardless of if you had a smart meter (and thus the issue Flick had with Wellington Electricity of incorrectly applying rates to consumers)

Teeps

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Ultimate Geek

#2056904 16-Jul-2018 10:20

SBQ:

IMO, the breech in agreement between the electricity retailers and the lines operators is not as severe as the breech between retailers and their customers (for incorrect billing to retail customers). The line operators really don't care because they always get paid. Why should they when the incorrect billing is between the retailer and their end users?

As I said before, the whole NZ electricity industry is a sham where prices are open to manipulation. Look at all the posts and questions we have on this thread 100+ which is clear, nothing is transparent in the NZ electricity industry. It's very hard for Flick to sell on a model that promises savings when winter months, prices are at their very highest, AND demand is at their highest (the consumption pattern where the winter months consumes nearly 3/4 of the annual electricity use for virtually all households, and what low prices Flick customer sees in the summer months, well you're not going to save much on only 1/4 of the annual consumption).

Get ready for more higher electricity prices in the future as more and more people switch over to EV.

The power usage of an EV is no more impact on the network than an electric heater, and I see plenty of those going off the shelves in Briscoes etc!

The plus side is that EVs can defer their power usage. It is also possible to use the vehicle to power a house making the EV a battery storage (not that I do this). This means there will actually be less stress on the network at peak times. Add in solar to charge home battery storage and theres even less stress on the network!

I calculate my power usage on a weekly basic and compare against other tariffs available to me. Despite your claims, I am making very good savings with Flick who I've been with for over 3 years. Yes there are high prices, but don't look at those in isolation.

gchiu

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#2056909 16-Jul-2018 10:26

The Nissan leaf appears to have a 24 kWh battery. That's larger than the powerwall2. Hmm. How hard would this be to connect up for emergency use?

dantheperson

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Master Geek

#2056910 16-Jul-2018 10:27

SBQ:

when winter months, prices are at their very highest, AND demand is at their highest

I wouldn't say spot prices are always highest in winter. 2018 and 2017 yes. But 2016,2015,2014,2013 No.

Quite frankly i am surprised. I would intuitively have thought your claim to be true given winter is peak demand, and lowest rainfall (and therefore supply), and the limited storage in our lakes.

Look at haywards daily @ https://www.interest.co.nz/charts/commodities/wholesale-electricity

dantheperson

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Master Geek

#2056928 16-Jul-2018 10:33

Teeps:

The power usage of an EV is no more impact on the network than an electric heater, and I see plenty of those going off the shelves in Briscoes etc!

The plus side is that EVs can defer their power usage.

An EV charging at night rate has very much less impact on the network than an electric heater running at peak. Presumably the EV tariff is all about ensuring EVs don't have an impact on the network by encouraging people to charge them overnight instead of just plugging straight in when they get home from work. I don't think the tariff will have the same appeal to those Briscoes heater buyers, they probably wont want to delay using them till 2am.

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