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#1363510 12-Aug-2015 10:52

Have contacted an alarm guy who is on his way.

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#1363595 12-Aug-2015 12:14

Swanny: It doesn't respond to the time setting commands from the Elite S manual though.....

that means your code is not an 'admin' code...

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#1364680 12-Aug-2015 14:50

No it meant that the instructions I used didn't match. I now have suitable instructions and codes and we're all set. I now have an alarm guy in Christchurch area if anyone needs one.

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#1364685 12-Aug-2015 14:55

nakedmolerat:

that means your code is not an 'admin' code...

Yeah frustratingly a lot of alarms are setup that way, which is secure, but also forces you to call the company back to make changes...

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#1364869 12-Aug-2015 19:01

Swanny: No it meant that the instructions I used didn't match. I now have suitable instructions and codes and we're all set. I now have an alarm guy in Christchurch area if anyone needs one.

No it isn't.

If you have the master code, it is straightforward to do, as per instructions (the basic alarm you got there is pretty much the same for all arrowhead products). The panel is intuitive but you'll need to have the master code.

The link that I gave you pretty much cover all the arrowhead products.

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#1368782 18-Aug-2015 19:00

It wasn't the über admin but it was the client admin pin. As far as I could tell there was another addressing layer in the correct instructions that wasn't there in the ones I used to start with. Having created a new 6 digit pin I wanted to change the admin pin from '123', which is where I went wrong and locked myself out.

The clock setting was a misunderstanding because I expected it to show something that looked like the clock setting on every other device I've ever set the time on. Clearly alarms are doing some of their security by obscurity.

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#1370858 20-Aug-2015 12:57

Swanny: Results so far:

3 digit code works, it's programmed as code User 1. I have managed to add my own code as code 8, I just need to change user 1 to something a little less easy to guess and I can call it done for the moment.

<code><enter> arms the alarm, <code><enter> disarms.

Here is the board (alarm didn't sound when I removed the cover, phew!):

Um - that is not a good thing all alarm boxes where the panel is stored should be fitted with a tamper that sets the alarm off if you open the box, also - and I can't tell if this is the case from your picture or not it should be in an area detectable by one of your sensors and if you want to be doubly cautious you put a sensor inside the alarm panel as well just in case some dubious individual manages to bypass the tamper.
Also is that alarm box made of plastic or metal - again hard to tell in a picture - if it's plastic - I don't believe it's the best thing because regardless of if there was a tamper fitted or not you could probably cut through the plastic with a box cutter and bypass the alarm.

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#1370906 20-Aug-2015 14:39

but should it set off the tamper of the alarm isnt set?

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#1370948 20-Aug-2015 16:24

Jase2985: but should it set off the tamper of the alarm isnt set?

Yes the tamper circuits should be monitored 24/7, if someone opens the box the tampering must be detected.

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#1370989 20-Aug-2015 16:52

so how do installers get round it when adding new sensors? if they open the box the alarm goes off.

it may be monitored but does it have to set the siren off?

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#1371020 20-Aug-2015 17:57

Falloutboy:
Swanny: Results so far:

3 digit code works, it's programmed as code User 1. I have managed to add my own code as code 8, I just need to change user 1 to something a little less easy to guess and I can call it done for the moment.

<code><enter> arms the alarm, <code><enter> disarms.

Here is the board (alarm didn't sound when I removed the cover, phew!):

Um - that is not a good thing all alarm boxes where the panel is stored should be fitted with a tamper that sets the alarm off if you open the box, also - and I can't tell if this is the case from your picture or not it should be in an area detectable by one of your sensors and if you want to be doubly cautious you put a sensor inside the alarm panel as well just in case some dubious individual manages to bypass the tamper.
Also is that alarm box made of plastic or metal - again hard to tell in a picture - if it's plastic - I don't believe it's the best thing because regardless of if there was a tamper fitted or not you could probably cut through the plastic with a box cutter and bypass the alarm.

Don't know how good you think your thief is. I know if I was a breaking in to a house I wouldn't be taking my time to locate exactly where the alarm box is and cutting my way in to the box to disable the alarm, I would be doing the smash and grab and running as i'm sure that one of the PIR's would have already been triggered and the alarm would be going off.

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#1371022 20-Aug-2015 17:59

Jase2985: so how do installers get round it when adding new sensors? if they open the box the alarm goes off.

it may be monitored but does it have to set the siren off?

that's exactly right, but it only take a few seconds to completely disable the alarm once the lid is off the panel

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#1371097 20-Aug-2015 20:37

Jase2985: so how do installers get round it when adding new sensors? if they open the box the alarm goes off.

it may be monitored but does it have to set the siren off?

That's what the installer code is for.
Gives 'immunity' and the ability to completely program the alarm in any way that is needed, rather than just the Master Code, that gives access to user codes only

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#1371666 21-Aug-2015 15:31

gregmcc:
Jase2985: so how do installers get round it when adding new sensors? if they open the box the alarm goes off.

it may be monitored but does it have to set the siren off?

that's exactly right, but it only take a few seconds to completely disable the alarm once the lid is off the panel

It may be the case that it only takes a few seconds to completely disable the alarm once the lid is off but by the time you've cracked open a metal cabinet the system should have managed to send a message saying oi this place is being robbed - either through the PIR in the cabinet, or covering the area where the cabinet is located tripping the Tamper.

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#1371807 21-Aug-2015 20:27

Average house, they are in, take what they want and go.

Next door neighbour only gets involved when he's had enough of the bloody alarm going off. From memory the alarm can only sound for 30min max anyway.

The concept of people disabling an alarm is miles off base in most instances.

Alternative is to find the internal siren, rip it down and cut the lead.

Most of the power of an alarm is in the windows stickers indicating someone will be called if it goes off.

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