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#2061811 24-Jul-2018 17:03

Did you read this article, as it may answer a few questions?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11386960

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#2061881 24-Jul-2018 18:43

mattwnz: Did you read this article, as it may answer a few questions? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11386960

Quoting the article: "I sought legal advice before removing mine and was advised there was no legislation indicating that letterboxes are necessary."

While you might not want a letterbox, what are you going to fill into the forms asking for your postal address?

Considering how easy it is to switch email addresses these days, I don't think the .govt & corporations would be to happy with only an email address to send

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#2061898 24-Jul-2018 19:26

PhantomNVD:
just leave a small slot in your fence, mark it with your number on the outside, and have a compost bin below :)

I'd be more direct, leave your recycling bin by your gate, it's already got the house number on it, cut in a slot and if necessary paint an arrow and the word "Mail" pointing to it, and once a fortnight your unwanted mail clears itself away.

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#2061914 24-Jul-2018 19:59

Work has no mailbox and everything gets redirected to the PO Box. Everything no matter the name on it. I have asked and noone remembers having to pay anything for it.

The BS NZ Post redirection needs you to give them a list of names and money every year. I cant recall all the fake names I have used over the years so some still go to the mailbox. Some things go there that should have been redirected because "best efforts" or lazy, and parcels dont get redirected (they do at work)

Noone can say why work gets what they do other than "its a business address" - noone can tell me how to make my house a business address for NZ post. Its a joke.

The sooner it becomes too expensive for anyone to post anything and everyone can remove the mailboxes the better.

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#2062029 25-Jul-2018 09:01

IcI:

mattwnz: Did you read this article, as it may answer a few questions? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11386960

Quoting the article: "I sought legal advice before removing mine and was advised there was no legislation indicating that letterboxes are necessary."

While you might not want a letterbox, what are you going to fill into the forms asking for your postal address?

Considering how easy it is to switch email addresses these days, I don't think the .govt & corporations would be to happy with only an email address to send

Jury duty summons
Verified proof of address for banks anti money laundering (AML) policies
TradeMe could never make a verified account for you
Thank of the lawyers!

Jury - they will need to email me or they wont get a response :) if its really important they will hunt me down, they have Real Me don't they?

Never had an issue with the banks, run several business's, international currency accounts etc, and always been able to get them to electronically deal with me, Credit Cards to me have been couriered, but typically use NFC payment now anyway.

Don't care too much about trademe! and Lawyers have been fine with me via email, if I need to sign something it normally needs to be countersigned so often just go to their offices.

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#2062032 25-Jul-2018 09:08

nickb800:

I suspect what would happen within twelve months would be that the 'delivery point' of your street address would drop off the NZPost system, and then all bulk mailers (banks etc) who verify their addresses with NZPost would then be signalled that your address is wrong, and therefore the mail would get stopped before it even gets printed. However, there will always be dribs and drabs from other sources

This is exactly what I am after, be interesting to see if there was a way to fast track this.

I'm not at all wanting to be non-contactable, but I am wanting to send a message that if you want my business then it needs to be electronic. I am still yet to find something that is absolutely mandatory that you need NZ Post to deliver it. (I.E something that would put you in a civil law issue - a Jury Summons might be the closest one) if something is important in this day and age it seems very archaic to print it out and put it in a box outside a house.

For courier stuff, they always deliver to my door as I have a long driveway, so no issues there.

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#2062144 25-Jul-2018 11:06

pchs:

nickb800:

I suspect what would happen within twelve months would be that the 'delivery point' of your street address would drop off the NZPost system, and then all bulk mailers (banks etc) who verify their addresses with NZPost would then be signalled that your address is wrong, and therefore the mail would get stopped before it even gets printed. However, there will always be dribs and drabs from other sources

This is exactly what I am after, be interesting to see if there was a way to fast track this.

I'm not at all wanting to be non-contactable, but I am wanting to send a message that if you want my business then it needs to be electronic. I am still yet to find something that is absolutely mandatory that you need NZ Post to deliver it. (I.E something that would put you in a civil law issue - a Jury Summons might be the closest one) if something is important in this day and age it seems very archaic to print it out and put it in a box outside a house.

For courier stuff, they always deliver to my door as I have a long driveway, so no issues there.

You could just email NZPost customer service.

I had the opposite situation earlier this year. Moved into a newly subdivided house with a letterbox, but it wasn't recognised as a delivery point in their system and many address finders (for online shopping etc) didn't list it (many use NZpost, but there are other databases out there too). You would see this if you use the post code finder on their website - it recognised the address, but it wasn't a delivery point. I sent their general customer service team an email and they said they would include it in their monthly update.

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#2062251 25-Jul-2018 13:09

I understood NZ post has standards you must conform to if you want them to delivery to your address. I know the threatened to stop delivery to my address as the mailbox was to low (bending down issues for post people - fair enough).

In your case I suspect you would both be happy - no mail box so they won't deliver. That means you don't get any letters (if any happen to be sent to you.)

I'd just not install a box and let it ride for a while to see what happens :)

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#2062257 25-Jul-2018 13:24

While I'm sure it isn't a legal requirement to have a mailbox at your house, there are plenty of legal requirements for you to have a postal address. Land Transport Regulations alone require a postal address if you own a car.

Your council rates bill may or may not be able to be received electronically but know in Christchurch they don't have that capability yet.

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#2062299 25-Jul-2018 13:54

jnimmo:

While I'm sure it isn't a legal requirement to have a mailbox at your house, there are plenty of legal requirements for you to have a postal address. Land Transport Regulations alone require a postal address if you own a car.

Having a postal address and a mail box are quite different things.

Saying that personally I'd have a mailbox just to avoid going to the post office to pay/collect my car rego and the few other things I actually get delivered.

But the OP sounded quite happy to have these disposed of or returned to sender so in that case why install one.

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#2062532 25-Jul-2018 19:22

I have a PO Box which I have given places as a postal address. If they are stupid enough to post things to a delivery address then good on them.

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#2062541 25-Jul-2018 19:48

There might always be a need for some kind of postal service. For things like a letter addressed to a household, such as census collection. Those types of letters don't assume that any particular individual(s) reside at the address.

Jury summons could be done by email, but the Dept of Justice would have to have your email address to do that.

And ironically snail mail in your letter box is a definitive way to know that fibre is now live at your address.

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#2062562 25-Jul-2018 20:31

KrazyKid: ... But the OP sounded quite happy to have these disposed of or returned to sender so in that case why install one.

Because somewhere along the line, OP will be asked for a postal address. If that mail is disposed without reading or returned as undeliverable, there can & will be legal consequences for not responding to that one mail item.

Until a legal alternative to postal address is standardised / ratified / coded into law, OP is, imo, ahead of the curve and taking a chance. Of course, he could always lobby for an alternative to usher in that day sooner.

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#2062775 26-Jul-2018 09:22

IcI:

KrazyKid: ... But the OP sounded quite happy to have these disposed of or returned to sender so in that case why install one.

Because somewhere along the line, OP will be asked for a postal address. If that mail is disposed without reading or returned as undeliverable, there can & will be legal consequences for not responding to that one mail item.

Until a legal alternative to postal address is standardised / ratified / coded into law, OP is, imo, ahead of the curve and taking a chance. Of course, he could always lobby for an alternative to usher in that day sooner.

Thanks that should probably have been a more accurate title for my post, can anyone think of any implications of not accepting post mail.

I can't think of any private business issues, there is enough competition that pretty much all private services have a business that will run electronically. its more the Government (no issues with IRD, banks etc) its really does seem that the last of the issues are fines, although Justice do have access to email so would hopefully use if their mail was returned, interestingly you can check if you have a fine online and they will email you. Is it actually law that its assumed that if something is posted to a box its received? if someone is summonsed it needs to be in person. this is kind of why I'd prefer it to be flagged at NZ Post that this address wont accept postal mail, at least then it would be flagged back to the sender to try another method.

I would have thought that if a fine was sent (for example a speeding fine) via snail mail, and then returned as cannot be delivered it then it would be hard for there to be any legal consequences. (I'm happy to be a guinea pig here!)

Anyway i have no mail box so will see what happens!

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#2077008 21-Aug-2018 18:51

How many of you guys pay for your car registration online now?

If you do it's unavoidable that you're gonna need a postal address for NZTA to post your rego card to.

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