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Kol12

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#2202585 20-Mar-2019 20:18

neb:
Bung: If they're.sliding doors can however you're locking them be defeated just by lifting them up and jumping the rollers off the track?
That would have been my response as well, you're probably never going to get a high-security solution if what you're going to secure is a wardrobe. Another option if the tracks is exposed is to drop a piece of timber into it and secure it into place with a patio bolt, or bolts at both ends. When you're there, take it out and put it in the wardrobe so there's no sign of it.

If the sliding doors were secured with patio bolts at the bottom of the doors (corners) you could never get the door out. You may get it out of the track but the patio bolt will stop it going any further...

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#2202587 20-Mar-2019 20:21

The OP mentioned that patio bolts were a bit too ugly, the point of the timber track-stopper is that it leaves no sign of its presence apart from two small holes where the bolts go.

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#2202588 20-Mar-2019 20:31

neb: The OP mentioned that patio bolts were a bit too ugly, the point of the timber track-stopper is that it leaves no sign of its presence apart from two small holes where the bolts go.

I can't picture how this would work. Does the patio bolt still get attached to the door?

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#2202614 20-Mar-2019 20:52

The piece of timber drops into the tracks for the sliding door, and a patio bolt on each end locks it into the wall and the side of the door so it can't be lifted out. When it's not in place, the only thing visible is the holes for the two bolts, and an optional strike plate.

Edit: The patio bolts are attached to the timber, so there's no need to attach anything to the door.

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#2202615 20-Mar-2019 20:56

Kol12:
I can't picture how this would work. Does the patio bolt still get attached to the door?

Do you have a photo of the layout of the door/wardrobe/whatever? That would help in trying to come up with a solution.

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#2202616 20-Mar-2019 20:58

neb: The piece of timber drops into the tracks for the sliding door, and a patio bolt on each end locks it into the wall and the side of the door so it can't be lifted out. When it's not in place, the only thing visible is the holes for the two bolts, and an optional strike plate. Edit: The patio bolts are attached to the timber, so there's no need to attach anything to the door.

It sounds like you have something but I still can't visualize it. I don't suppose you'd mind doing a diagram?

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#2202620 20-Mar-2019 21:06

I've drawn a simple diagram. It's three doors. The door at the left slides to the right in behind the center door. The center doors slides to the left. I need to secure both the left and center doors.

https://www.mediafire.com/view/7ffenee9m1fnxcj/Wardrobe_doors.png/file

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#2202628 20-Mar-2019 21:37

Same principle applies to ranch sliders - drop a piece of timber into the track and if the lock is forced from the outside the timber is jammed between the door that slides and the door jamb.

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#2202647 20-Mar-2019 22:11

What is the security level you need?
-do you just need to keep little kids out, or are there untrustworthy people around?
-are you protecting against damage, theft, misuse?

How long does it need to be secured?

Will it need to be used more than once?

If you need any reasonable level of security, you need something a lot better than your first option. It could simply be unscrewed.

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#2202649 20-Mar-2019 22:14

Kol12:
I've drawn a simple diagram. It's three doors. The door at the left slides to the right in behind the center door. The center doors slides to the left. I need to secure both the left and center doors.

https://www.mediafire.com/view/7ffenee9m1fnxcj/Wardrobe_doors.png/file

If I'm interpreting the diagram correctly you can do that with a piece of 2x4 and two patio bolts. The 2x4 drops into the track in front of the left-hand door, one patio bolt on the left-hand end of the 2x4 goes into the left-hand door side-on, the other on the right-hand end of the 2x4 goes into the centre door end-on. That locks everything in place.

If it's not clear let me know and I'll try and do a diagram.

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#2202651 20-Mar-2019 22:16

andrewNZ: If you need any reasonable level of security, you need something a lot better than your first option. It could simply be unscrewed.

That's why people have suggested patio bolts, for the better-designed ones once they're locked you can't unscrew them. OTOH the locks are rubbish in terms of pick-resistance, but then with a hollow-core wardrobe door anyone wanting to get in can just kick a hole through it.

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#2202653 20-Mar-2019 22:23

A patio bolt on the end of each door may work, depending on the track system.

You'd possibly only need the high security lock on the outer ?center? door the others could be secured from inside.

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#2202697 21-Mar-2019 07:45

Patio bolt placed horizontally on the right hand side door sliding into the present bolt receiver? Or a padbolt which is the same as a barrel bolt but you can put a padlock on it. Or a hasp type lock with a padlock, that could be flatter. If the whole thing needs to be really flush to the door you could consider chiselling the door and recessing it.

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#2202984 21-Mar-2019 18:50

A piece of dow in the track would only be of use from the inside of a sliding door, not the inside wouldn't it?

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