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#194950 31-Mar-2016 14:13

I had a video on YouTube for 3 years with no issues.

Suddenly I get a "copyright infringement notice".

I checked out the video. It was me talking to the camera......but.....in the background you can very faintly hear a radio one of the builders had on and it's playing a song very quietly and I can't even make it out. I played it several times and I couldn't hear it clearly - and definitely not over my own voice.

Apparently, YouTube think it was a song by The Eagles. I guess I have to take their word for it.

They have a "remove the song" option.....which actually wipes the entire sound track - including my narrative - and gives me a chance to replace it with music....only.

No thanks.

I've been getting this stuff increasingly over time - including songs from freemusicarchive.org that were explicitly Creative Commons / Attribution Only - then later the author uploads the same song to some other site and doesn't read the fine print (giving them rights)...and I get hit with a copyright notice despite complying completely with the CC requirements in force at the time I made the video.

YouTube never respond to the disputes....I learned that years ago.

Now I just delete the videos. The imaginary rights holders can go jump....or whatever.

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#1523344 31-Mar-2016 14:23

Copyright isn't a scam and is really useful for retaining an income as a creative, what you're complaining about is a bot that goes through and automatically flags music it analyses to be copyrighted, which I'm sure the Eagles music very much is. Unfortunately the bot can't use discretion, which is really your complaint.

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#1523347 31-Mar-2016 14:28

A lot of YouTubers have been getting copyright strikes against content that is considered fair use.

It's a shame, especially to the creators who put in a lot of effort but are relatively small subscriber wise, they just get screwed.

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#1523348 31-Mar-2016 14:28

Yes it's all very strange,

I have a home movie type thing which I overdubbed with "This Old Love" by Lior and put on YouTube about 8 years ago. I have never had a problem with it in terms of copyright.

But a few weeks ago I uploading some dashcam footage of a tradie going through a red light and in the background could be heard the strainings of some contemporary crooner on my car radio. Before the upload had even finished I received notification of copyright infringement. Because there was no talking on the clip I just changed the audio to one of their suggested musical selections. I think it was a rag-time type jingle which actually made the video far more amusing anyway.

But I agree - this copyright infringement nonsense for what basically amounts to little more than background noise is a bit ridiculous.

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#1523356 31-Mar-2016 14:31

macuser:

Copyright isn't a scam and is really useful for retaining an income as a creative, what you're complaining about is a bot that goes through and automatically flags music it analyses to be copyrighted, which I'm sure the Eagles music very much is. Unfortunately the bot can't use discretion, which is really your complaint.

My complaint is that the bot is one-way bot. If I dispute the complaint isn't suspended.....it remains in effect until they never respond.

That makes copyright a scam in so far as how it actually, really affects people every day.

Maybe some musicians and authors do benefit - for far, FAR longer than they reasonably should. That's a scam, too.

120 years of copyright for "Happy Birthday" was utterly unreasonable and it was only good luck that saw it overturned.

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#1523357 31-Mar-2016 14:33

That is so frustrating, especially since you're not even actually using the song, it's just incidental background noise.

I do something called fanvidding which involves remixing visual source (tv shows, movies) with music to tell a story or make a point. I host most of my videos on YouTube, as well as my own website. All of the songs are copyrighted content, however YouTube does have a somewhat lenient policy depending on the song. Artists often make more advertising revenue from YouTube from people uploading their song than they do from their own official video, so if they are amenable, YouTube just pops advertising on your clip and everyone wins.

A really helpful tool is the YouTube Audio Library, which has a section where you can check their policy on any particular song. You just visit this link https://www.youtube.com/music_policies and enter the song title in the search box. It'll tell you if it's blocked in any countries, and what will happen if you use it, i.e.. they'll put advertising on your video. So far I've not run into one that I couldn't use, though I see that all The Eagles ones are blocked for all use.

If you put the link to your video up (if it's still working) I could try to identify the song. If it's not The Eagles you might be able to contest the takedown request, which will be automatically generated. This group has some great info on how to contest YouTube takedowns, and info on how to work out whether you should try it or not. https://www.eff.org/issues/intellectual-property/guide-to-youtube-removals

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#1523366 31-Mar-2016 14:46

I had a video of some fireworks in asia get taken down due to copyright - apparently the explosions sounded like some tubular bells sound track or something.

this wasn't a commercial display. I argued, they put it back up with the sound no problems.

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#1523370 31-Mar-2016 14:51

Make it private or link only? Does that eliminate the need to take it down or will it still be removed in that scenario after getting the notice?

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#1523417 31-Mar-2016 15:23

macuser:Copyright isn't a scam

I beg to differ. It's the biggest scam of all time.

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#1523420 31-Mar-2016 15:30

gzt: Make it private or link only? Does that eliminate the need to take it down or will it still be removed in that scenario after getting the notice?

One of my coworkers put up a private video of him performing in an amateur musical. It still got flagged despite being private, not the original artist, and a terrible cellphone recording to boot!

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#1523421 31-Mar-2016 15:37

A big part of the problem is u.s law and enforcement applied to non-us content. You could look at hosting somewhere else.

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#1523426 31-Mar-2016 15:48

Wheelbarrow01:

Yes it's all very strange,

I have a home movie type thing which I overdubbed with "This Old Love" by Lior and put on YouTube about 8 years ago. I have never had a problem with it in terms of copyright.

But a few weeks ago I uploading some dashcam footage of a tradie going through a red light and in the background could be heard the strainings of some contemporary crooner on my car radio. Before the upload had even finished I received notification of copyright infringement. Because there was no talking on the clip I just changed the audio to one of their suggested musical selections. I think it was a rag-time type jingle which actually made the video far more amusing anyway.

But I agree - this copyright infringement nonsense for what basically amounts to little more than background noise is a bit ridiculous.

I've had copyright infringements for street videos that happened to catch a logo in the field of vision.

Public space isn't public space. Corporations own the light that reflects from their logos in public space. That, right there, isn't "copyright". It's theft from the public space.

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#1523427 31-Mar-2016 15:49

Behodar:
gzt: Make it private or link only? Does that eliminate the need to take it down or will it still be removed in that scenario after getting the notice?

One of my coworkers put up a private video of him performing in an amateur musical. It still got flagged despite being private, not the original artist, and a terrible cellphone recording to boot!

Unbelievable. But I believe it. I wonder if there is a trigger when shared with another account. Even so that would still kill videos of kids singing their favourite songs shared with family. So it looks like YouTube is not a good archive platform for anything.

It does make me think how easily Google drive files could be invaded and scanned for utterly trivial copyright violations, even though Drive is a different platform and there are no indications that copyright scanning is happening or planned for that area.

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#1523433 31-Mar-2016 15:52

littleheaven:

That is so frustrating, especially since you're not even actually using the song, it's just incidental background noise.

I do something called fanvidding which involves remixing visual source (tv shows, movies) with music to tell a story or make a point. I host most of my videos on YouTube, as well as my own website. All of the songs are copyrighted content, however YouTube does have a somewhat lenient policy depending on the song. Artists often make more advertising revenue from YouTube from people uploading their song than they do from their own official video, so if they are amenable, YouTube just pops advertising on your clip and everyone wins.

A really helpful tool is the YouTube Audio Library, which has a section where you can check their policy on any particular song. You just visit this link https://www.youtube.com/music_policies and enter the song title in the search box. It'll tell you if it's blocked in any countries, and what will happen if you use it, i.e.. they'll put advertising on your video. So far I've not run into one that I couldn't use, though I see that all The Eagles ones are blocked for all use.

If you put the link to your video up (if it's still working) I could try to identify the song. If it's not The Eagles you might be able to contest the takedown request, which will be automatically generated. This group has some great info on how to contest YouTube takedowns, and info on how to work out whether you should try it or not. https://www.eff.org/issues/intellectual-property/guide-to-youtube-removals

I deleted the video. Interestingly, one might like to download a copy of an 8 year old for which the source is long lost....but you can't download your own video if there is a claim against it. You can only amend or delete it. I guess if you want a copy you have to amend it with new music / sound then download that. Not sure what you'd do if the violation was an incidentally recorded trademark or logo in a public space.

I do monetise my own videos, so that may be why they come in for additional attention. But to monetise a video you can't have any everyday sights in it. Out in public, there can be no music unless you wrote it AND performed it. No logos unless YOU created them and displayed them. Even on a public streets in what it supposed to be public space.

A few years ago I did a video of some break dancers in Aotea Square. No way could it be uploaded to YouTube in a way that wasn't violating because the dancers and their music were integral. Effectively, there is no way to publicly display such records made in a public space....without *someone* wanting money for it.

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#1523461 31-Mar-2016 17:07

Well the fact you are monetising explains a lot. Your income then potentially derives from another and copyright work. That explains a lot of the attention, but it does not explain the earlier example of the co-worker with the private video.

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#1523470 31-Mar-2016 17:28

Lias:

macuser:Copyright isn't a scam

I beg to differ. It's the biggest scam of all time.

Let me know when you create something you gain income (or other benefit) from that is your original work, and someone comes along and copies it (Depriving you of some benefit), then let's talk....

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