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#2183686 19-Feb-2019 14:51

It would be interesting to see how the streams are charged for. Is it going to be $100 for 1 stream, second stream $25. Commercial stream, healthy additional fee same as Sky. Will be interesting to see.

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#2183687 19-Feb-2019 14:51

networkn:

tdgeek:

Is this a Spark issue or a streaming issue? Saying that one BB line might buffer is odd to say the least.

I didn't SAY it was a Spark problem, I raised it as a potential concern given the importance of the stream to a hospo business. Lots of bars and pubs pay substantially for Sky and have infrastructure already. A second line in a busy pub, is just another expense for them to consider, arrange and manage, for an event that runs for 6 weeks. It's not an impossible problem. Simply one that requires attention.

/me SMH.

Calm down. As with any changes, things change. Much as I'd prefer to have all this and F1 on Sky, that's not happening. While another expense is not ideal, a naked Business BB is cheap, a few lattes a week. There will be other sports that they will show in the pub as well via streaming.

If RWC was near on perfect, I can see it will score a base pass mark at best here.

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#2183688 19-Feb-2019 14:53

tdgeek:

If RWC was near on perfect, I can see it will score a base pass mark at best here.

LOL, I agree. It's a tough crowd... I am sure if it's perfect then the complaints will just be about price. If we make it free then there will be complaints it doesn't support a specific Smart TV :-)

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#2183689 19-Feb-2019 14:54

Were they doing a dongle for this or not? Can't remember if it as a no already or not yet announced.

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#2183699 19-Feb-2019 15:24

networkn:

... I raised it as a potential concern given the importance of the stream to a hospo business. Lots of bars and pubs pay substantially for Sky and have infrastructure already. A second line in a busy pub, is just another expense for them to consider, arrange and manage, for an event that runs for 6 weeks. It's not an impossible problem. Simply one that requires attention.

If that hospo business has always got its 'entertainment' from Sky, they may have very little Internet connectivity: after all if you're only running a few EFTPOS terminals and a web-based accounting system, ADSL (even ADSL1 onto a Conklin!) will be sort of adequate. If they're also been offering 'free' Wi-Fi but only over highly congested 2.4GHz, ADSL2 will again be heaps - customers might notice sometimes and complain ["the Wi-Fi's pretty rubbish here, eh"], but it won't ever have stopped them drinking the beer and watching the rugby.

Now they need a reliable BB connection and a method of getting this 'streaming stuff' from the 'modem thingy' in the office to each of the half a dozen TVs - "Bruce the sparky" who wired up the TVs with coax in 2004 certainly won't be up with that.

All the TVs will of course be more than 3m in the air and will now require a scissor lift or mobile scaffolding to access - even if only to plug in an Ethernet cable (assuming they have an Ethernet port), not a ladder like when they put in the new TVs in 2015.

Better hope the landlord has a teenage son or daughter?

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#2183709 19-Feb-2019 15:30

I would expect commercial customers to be managed by Spark Digital people? Perhaps a remotely managed dongle/mini PC able to output to existing reticulation.

Hopefully no fatovision...

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#2183713 19-Feb-2019 15:42

PolicyGuy: All the TVs will of course be more than 3m in the air and will now require a scissor lift or mobile scaffolding to access - even if only to plug in an Ethernet cable (assuming they have an Ethernet port), not a ladder like when they put in the new TVs in 2015.

Even that will be easy compared to the thousands of hotels/motels that distribute sky through multiple channel head-end systems with in-room channel selection, all over coax. A bit more complicated than plugging in an ethernet cable.

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#2183725 19-Feb-2019 15:44

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PolicyGuy: All the TVs will of course be more than 3m in the air and will now require a scissor lift or mobile scaffolding to access - even if only to plug in an Ethernet cable (assuming they have an Ethernet port), not a ladder like when they put in the new TVs in 2015.

Even that will be easy compared to the thousands of hotels/motels that distribute sky through multiple channel head-end systems with in-room channel selection, all over coax. A bit more complicated than plugging in an ethernet cable.

Jeepers, I hadn't even considered Hotels.

Suddenly the RWC doesn't seem that far away. I guess the logic is that once you do it, it's good for this current generation of technology and related services, but for some hotels I could imagine the cost could be massive.

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#2183730 19-Feb-2019 15:49

Some motels/hotels do Chromecast and Netflix already..

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#2183783 19-Feb-2019 16:16

yitz: Some motels/hotels do Chromecast and Netflix already..

Chromecast would rely on you having your own Source presumably. I am unsure what the situation with Netflix is, do you enter your own account?

IF either of those are the case, then that's not comparable to the Sky situation where in your nights stay, is unlimited watching of the provided channels.

Also, I'd be curious what percentage of hotels have those functions?

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#2183784 19-Feb-2019 16:18

yitz: Some motels/hotels do Chromecast and Netflix already..

Would that actually be chrome cast and anything (that supports it) ?

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#2183785 19-Feb-2019 16:19

... and it isn't as simple as just telling people to bring their own Chromecast either - they are a pig to get going in a hotel usually. Captive portal WiFi systems and Chromecast does not play nicely.

I'd say it will be just 'too hard' for most hotels, and especially privately owned small hotels and motels.

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#2183786 19-Feb-2019 16:23

I understand that the rights holder probably don't give two tosses about these issues as they are really only worried about getting the highest bid(s), but I feel it should have been a consideration in awarding the rights. It may have been, but that's not apparent with the information provided to date.

Maybe everything is going to be fine.

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#2183887 19-Feb-2019 19:26

networkn:

I understand that the rights holder probably don't give two tosses about these issues as they are really only worried about getting the highest bid(s), but I feel it should have been a consideration in awarding the rights. It may have been, but that's not apparent with the information provided to date.

Maybe everything is going to be fine.

Yeah, I was thinking about that the other night. Surely you should really award the bid to someone that already has an existing service in place.. rather than to one that doesn't have anything.

But I guess it's all about getting the most amount of $ even if it results in a poor result to the end user. Not talking Spark specific, just in general.

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#2183904 19-Feb-2019 19:38

I am not at any point saying it's impossible for spark to deliver an excellent rwc. I started this thread to voice some concerns I have.

Some have been a little answered but until Spark release full details it's just wait and see.

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