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#1279113 8-Apr-2015 15:55

Also from PrimoWireless:

Global Mode - We haven't escaped either :( we will send out an email to customers over the next couple of days once we...

Posted by PrimoWireless on Tuesday, April 7, 2015

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#1279114 8-Apr-2015 15:55

Ah, sorry about peddling in bullcrap. I was partly duped by a story in a norwegian newspaper today. One of the tabloids that are on par with Stuff.co.nz - so I should have known better.

Please accept my sincerest apologies and shameful regret for falling for it and peddling it here.

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#1279116 8-Apr-2015 15:59

Lightwire has fallen:

http://www.lightwire.co.nz/news/lightwire-receives-legal-threats-from-sky-tv-tvnz-lightbox-and-mediaworks-over-globalmoder-service/

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The letter claims that our offering of the GlobalMode(R) service to our customers, allowing customers to access previously region-blocked content from overseas such as BBC iPlayer, Netflix, etc, is unlawful. This claim has not been tested in New Zealand courts, however the letter "requires" us to cease offering the GlobalMode(R) service by 15 April 2015 or face further legal proceedings. We thoroughly disagree with the claims that the letter makes. We believe that the GlobalMode(R) service reduces the temptation to illegally download content by offering consumers in New Zealand more choice in terms of accessing content from legitimate sources and on their own terms.
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Perhaps if there was a a mass boycott of sky service (a "cancel your sky day"), who i imagine are the brunt of the force behind this, whether that would give them second thoughts.

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#1279117 8-Apr-2015 16:00

jarledb: Looks like Netflix could be getting stricter about using geo-unblocking services. Their new terms and conditions they now state that they will terminate your account if they suspect you are in violation of the T&C. According to this Reddit users chat with Netflix that also includes using things like VPNs to access the service.

I am not sure if the change in T&C means they are about to get stricter, or if it is more a way of abiding by the demands from content owners.

Oh well, Just open a new one, or go back to whatever the torrent site all the kids are using is these days.

Only really use netflix because its easier than having to find the torrent, wait till its downloaded, deal with unraring it and stuff if its a moronic scene relese and then copy it over. Couple of clicks on the TV is much easier.

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#1279118 8-Apr-2015 16:05

qyiet:
NonprayingMantis:
In the case of Netflix though, the product is most definitely being 'shipped' to NZ.
Not so with a VPN provider. The last public IP address that Netflix delivers the content to is in the US, then over a separate, private, network the data is shipped to wherever the client is. This private network can and probably does use the internet for parts of it's traverse to the end user, but it doesn't have to, and is absolutely no different to the youshop scenario.

I don't know enough about how the providers like UnoTelly who avoid the mechanics of the VPN setup bypass the blocking to comment on them, but I suspect that as far as Netflix is concerned the requests still came from, and were delivered to IPs within the US.

the action is against global mode, which doesn't use a VPN. AFAIK the 'smart DNS' method uses only the geolocaiton for the address checking component, but then streams the content direct to the customer.

I could be wrong though.

but my point was the parallel importing could be 'ok' as long as you aren't doing anything to breach terms of some other provider. It may not be so 'ok' where you are required to actually breach an agreement to do it.

NonprayingMantis:
Furthermore, Netflix has terms that state you may not consume Netflix US outside the USA - so people are definitely breaching Netflix's terms by doing it.
I don't think anyone has ever argued that avoiding geoblocking isn't breaking the ToS, but that is a dispute between Netflix and the user, not another content provider, or the users ISP.

It could be an issue where the ISP is actively encouraging people to break the Ts and Cs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

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#1279120 8-Apr-2015 16:15

Returning my MySky+ box to SkyNZ tomorrow...good luck to them, I don't like bullying in the market, I like competition....it's arrived, and I'm off. Sorry Sky, you had it too good for too long (Telecom pulled themselves together after having a captive market in the 90s, pull your socks up and do the same)

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#1279122 8-Apr-2015 16:16

eXDee: Lightwire has fallen:

http://www.lightwire.co.nz/news/lightwire-receives-legal-threats-from-sky-tv-tvnz-lightbox-and-mediaworks-over-globalmoder-service/
...
The letter claims that our offering of the GlobalMode(R) service to our customers, allowing customers to access previously region-blocked content from overseas such as BBC iPlayer, Netflix, etc, is unlawful. This claim has not been tested in New Zealand courts, however the letter "requires" us to cease offering the GlobalMode(R) service by 15 April 2015 or face further legal proceedings. We thoroughly disagree with the claims that the letter makes. We believe that the GlobalMode(R) service reduces the temptation to illegally download content by offering consumers in New Zealand more choice in terms of accessing content from legitimate sources and on their own terms.
...

Perhaps if there was a a mass boycott of sky service (a "cancel your sky day"), who i imagine are the brunt of the force behind this, whether that would give them second thoughts.

the only way I could boycott Sky would be by signing up again, and I'm not about to do that :P

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#1279125 8-Apr-2015 16:20

eXDee: Lightwire has fallen:

http://www.lightwire.co.nz/news/lightwire-receives-legal-threats-from-sky-tv-tvnz-lightbox-and-mediaworks-over-globalmoder-service/
...
The letter claims that our offering of the GlobalMode(R) service to our customers, allowing customers to access previously region-blocked content from overseas such as BBC iPlayer, Netflix, etc, is unlawful. This claim has not been tested in New Zealand courts, however the letter "requires" us to cease offering the GlobalMode(R) service by 15 April 2015 or face further legal proceedings. We thoroughly disagree with the claims that the letter makes. We believe that the GlobalMode(R) service reduces the temptation to illegally download content by offering consumers in New Zealand more choice in terms of accessing content from legitimate sources and on their own terms.
...

Perhaps if there was a a mass boycott of sky service (a "cancel your sky day"), who i imagine are the brunt of the force behind this, whether that would give them second thoughts.

I do think this needs to be ramped up. Sky & co need to be made aware in no uncertain terms that this kind of bullying will cost them. No-one needs to cancel their subscription (yet) but perhaps there could be a directed action against Neon to start with. I imagine Sky is already having trouble generating much interest in that and the weak member of the herd is where the lions always start.

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#1279136 8-Apr-2015 16:34

I am cancelling Sky next week. Gone. Taken about 18 months to work up to cutting the cord (I do like MySky, and I like live Sport, but I'll go to the pub/mates). This is the final straw.

I think I will dump Spark too. I don't need a landline anymore, and I can get a much better deal elsewhere. This means I will lose the free Lightbox, but so be it. When their device selection improves (I need it to be on AppleTV I think) and their offerings improve (though IMO they have started well), I may come back to Lightbox. No way am I touching Neon, but I will consider HBO (via a DNS service).

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#1279171 8-Apr-2015 17:26

Here is some food for thought.

It appears that the complainants are ISP's also (Spark, Vodafone et al) who have a large part of the ISP market.

Back in the TCL days it was hard to use Unblock-US because their transparent proxy overwrote your IP packets with their own DNS server addresses (or something like that). So if you wanted to go to Netflix or Hulu you would see not available in your region messages. Luckily it only affected port 80 traffic so tablets, phones etc and the relevant app would work fine. It's just you needed a VPN to sign up or change your account details or to use those services on a PC.

I am not up with the technical side of this but could those ISP's make changes to their transparent proxies to rewrite all traffic to those DNS servers, effectively making the use of thos servers ineffectual? Having scared off the other ISP's with their Global Mode with treats of legal action, the only people they would have to deal with now would be those using VPN's and I presume the number of users choosing that route would not be worth pursuing?

Just some thoughts to put into the discussion.

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#1279173 8-Apr-2015 17:29

trig42: I am cancelling Sky next week. Gone. Taken about 18 months to work up to cutting the cord (I do like MySky, and I like live Sport, but I'll go to the pub/mates). This is the final straw.

I think I will dump Spark too. I don't need a landline anymore, and I can get a much better deal elsewhere. This means I will lose the free Lightbox, but so be it. When their device selection improves (I need it to be on AppleTV I think) and their offerings improve (though IMO they have started well), I may come back to Lightbox. No way am I touching Neon, but I will consider HBO (via a DNS service).

HBO has announced availability of their HBO Now offering now. For $15/month it seems you can stream all the HBO content you want. IOS only at the moment so I can't check but I am sure some enterprising GZ'er might try out the 30 day trial :-)

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#1279174 8-Apr-2015 17:32

lchiu7: HBO has announced availability of their HBO Now offering now. For $15/month it seems you can stream all the HBO content you want. IOS only at the moment so I can't check but I am sure some enterprising GZ'er might try out the 30 day trial :-)

Doesn't work with Global Mode :(

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#1279188 8-Apr-2015 17:55

Behodar: Doesn't work with Global Mode :(

How about unotelly?

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#1279193 8-Apr-2015 18:21

richms:
Behodar: Doesn't work with Global Mode :(

How about unotelly?

Was able to signup to HBO Now with a free 1 month subscription and watch Last Week with John Oliver on my AppleTV with Unotelly (I recommend the latest episode, its about surveillance in the US)

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#1279204 8-Apr-2015 19:07

jarledb:
richms:
Behodar: Doesn't work with Global Mode :(

How about unotelly?

Was able to signup to HBO Now with a free 1 month subscription and watch Last Week with John Oliver on my AppleTV with Unotelly (I recommend the latest episode, its about surveillance in the US)

I am not an IOS person so at the risk of incurring the wrath of my wife who has an iPhone 6, I managed to download the app on iTunes and then, after much futzing around, got the app to the phone. I had to use Tunnelbear to see then app in iTunes even though I have Uotelly.

Anyway after getting the app on the phone when I start it up it and choose Start Your Free Trial with iTunes I get an error Regrant failed, please purchase the software application first at which point in time I gave up in case I broke her phone :-(

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