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#1285132 15-Apr-2015 21:17

I turned on the telly tonight because I can’t get my streaming computer to work and I am depressed. I tried four different channels. All I got was commercials. Not one or two or three of them, but at least four minutes of them. Every channel I tried. And that was on Sky. I turned the TV off and came into the computer room and fired up the computer. Does anyone really still wonder why people here want to watch TV overseas?

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#1285142 15-Apr-2015 21:38

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Behodar: Mynxnet has sent this to all customers:

....Mynxnet does not know if Global Mode is unlawful or lawful...

That sentence made me cringe! For a company to say they don't know implies they strongly suspect they are in the wrong. At least CP have come out saying they believe they are right, ie no admission of guilt.

Or they, just like many people, don't know. I guess that's what we'll all find out.

I am interested to see how they put their attack on Global Mode. If they say CP is engaing in copyright infringement, then surely a service like Sparks own internet service does exactly the same - it provides a method where large volumes of content that's not paid for is obtained. We all know this. In this CP situation however, the content is been paid to the supplier, just not to the re-seller in NZ. That's why Netflix is saying nothing - they get paid either way. They would also have to show / prove that CP was distributing / selling content that was not theirs - but that's not what they are doing.

If they say the technology itself is illegal? Well, that gets into a whole other murky area? You make this illegal, what happens to all the other products and services that offer the same function? As I said, Sparks own internet service, and many other ISP's connections, are used for getting stuff without paying for it. Do we shut them down too? They are facilitating copyright infringement to, yes?

They seem to be targeting the wrong thing - the delivery method, not the people who are actually doing stuff over that delivery method. Are they going to sue the post office for delivering goods from overseas? The councils and government for providing the streets and highways those imported goods are delivered on? They are such dinosaurs - the whole situation is absurd.

And none of this mentions that global mode can be used for other activities other than watching overseas tv's or movies.

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#1285303 16-Apr-2015 08:40

Rikkitic: I turned on the telly tonight because I can’t get my streaming computer to work and I am depressed. I tried four different channels. All I got was commercials. Not one or two or three of them, but at least four minutes of them. Every channel I tried. And that was on Sky. I turned the TV off and came into the computer room and fired up the computer. Does anyone really still wonder why people here want to watch TV overseas?

On the positive, because of the time of day, at least you were spared Paul Henry.

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#1285306 16-Apr-2015 08:51

Perhaps someone, better versed in the ways of social media than me, could start a Facebook page etc in support of Callplus and Bypass Network Services. There's a good chance their cause could make good inroads across social media in the next few months. If Mediaworks, Spark, Sky and TVNZ are going to hit the small guys with the blunt force of the courts, maybe they should be greeted with the blunt force of social media in return?

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#1285539 16-Apr-2015 12:38

dafman: Perhaps someone, better versed in the ways of social media than me, could start a Facebook page etc in support of Callplus and Bypass Network Services. There's a good chance their cause could make good inroads across social media in the next few months. If Mediaworks, Spark, Sky and TVNZ are going to hit the small guys with the blunt force of the courts, maybe they should be greeted with the blunt force of social media in return?

IMO (and regardless my employer) the strongest vote here is the one you make with your wallet :)

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#1285569 16-Apr-2015 13:01

ubergeeknz:
dafman: Perhaps someone, better versed in the ways of social media than me, could start a Facebook page etc in support of Callplus and Bypass Network Services. There's a good chance their cause could make good inroads across social media in the next few months. If Mediaworks, Spark, Sky and TVNZ are going to hit the small guys with the blunt force of the courts, maybe they should be greeted with the blunt force of social media in return?

IMO (and regardless my employer) the strongest vote here is the one you make with your wallet :)

A well-engineered social media campaign could promote switching and voting with your wallet. Consumers don't pay Mediaworks or TVNZ directly, but they do Sky and Spark. And all four would take a hit to their brand reputation.

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#1285609 16-Apr-2015 13:51

dafman: Perhaps someone, better versed in the ways of social media than me, could start a Facebook page etc in support of Callplus and Bypass Network Services. There's a good chance their cause could make good inroads across social media in the next few months. If Mediaworks, Spark, Sky and TVNZ are going to hit the small guys with the blunt force of the courts, maybe they should be greeted with the blunt force of social media in return?

Or givealittle? Wait, that's run/sponsored by Spark...

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#1285623 16-Apr-2015 14:15

mdf:
dafman: Perhaps someone, better versed in the ways of social media than me, could start a Facebook page etc in support of Callplus and Bypass Network Services. There's a good chance their cause could make good inroads across social media in the next few months. If Mediaworks, Spark, Sky and TVNZ are going to hit the small guys with the blunt force of the courts, maybe they should be greeted with the blunt force of social media in return?

Or givealittle? Wait, that's run/sponsored by Spark...

Oh the irony. Set up a GiveALittle to help Callplus fight Spark in the courts!!!

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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#1286022 17-Apr-2015 08:59

The latest "Big Media" press release includes this gem:

we believe companies who profit by [...] providing access to content they haven’t paid for are in breach of copyright.

So now an ISP needs to pay for the content viewed by the consumer? So by that logic, if Spark isn't paying Sky for Neon's content, then Spark's breaching copyright too.

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#1286045 17-Apr-2015 09:21

Behodar: The latest "Big Media" press release includes this gem:

we believe companies who profit by [...] providing access to content they haven’t paid for are in breach of copyright.

So now an ISP needs to pay for the content viewed by the consumer? So by that logic, if Spark isn't paying Sky for Neon's content, then Spark's breaching copyright too.

Somewhat of a odd argument there... an ISP is a carrier or transit provider and you cannot access overseas content without some form of bypass. So if Spark do not have any method for their customers to bypass geoblocking, they cannot be in breach of contract. If you use Unotelly or other services, then they are in breach not the ISP, similar to P2P arguments, otherwise we would see cease and desist letters to ISPs AND users. Now, if the ISP has a method to bypass content then not only are they transiting but also aiding and abetting the copyright breach and so have been considered by the companies as breaching copyright.

TLDR; an ISP cannot be breach of copyright unless it itself partners with and/or offers a geoblocking bypass service. If it was considered so then the entire internet is at risk and so is every single search engine as they allow the indexing and searching of copyrighted information.

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#1286088 17-Apr-2015 10:17

Behodar: The latest "Big Media" press release includes this gem:

we believe companies who profit by [...] providing access to content they haven’t paid for are in breach of copyright.

So now an ISP needs to pay for the content viewed by the consumer? So by that logic, if Spark isn't paying Sky for Neon's content, then Spark's breaching copyright too.

Every single ISP in New Zealand is in breach of copyright because they are all "providing access to content they haven’t paid for are in breach of copyright" even without GlobalMode.