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#2326549 29-Sep-2019 09:23

The quality options in Kodi show the streams as 60 and 30fps. But the actual streams are 50 and 25fps as confirmed by Ctl-Shift-O and by fact that Kodi switches the tv from 60 to 50Hz for playback when auto display switching is enabled. So it's almost like that streams are mislabeled in the manifest?

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#2326655 29-Sep-2019 12:13

sbiddle:

I read that story at the time, but it still doesn't convince me that they're actually broadcasting in 60 FPS. The majority of the world is 50Hz and therefore TV content is at 50 FPS. In the case of the RWC it is 60Hz / 60 FPS master feeds because it comes from a NTSC country. All of their UK football feeds on the other hand are 50Hz / 50 FPS because they originate in a PAL region.

I'm just genuinely interested that Latch (and others) keep referring to the RWC in comments such as the one above as being 60 FPS and yet technical people I know insist the feed going out to iStreamPlanet is 50FPS after the conversion from 60FPS to 50 FPS and then local editing at TVNZ.

That doesn't rule out that istreamplanet could well be converting 50 to 60 before they spit it back out at sparks customers.

The 60 to 50 conversion is taking place in Japan, not within TVNZ itself.

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#2326676 29-Sep-2019 12:41

Now that the streaming issues seem to have been sorted the anti Spark snowflakes at Stuff are complaining about the adds during the game.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116176893/rugby-world-cup-2019-anger-at-spark-sports-ads-after-japans-victory-over-ireland

Wonder if these people ever watch Sky's Sport broadcast who plays adds in exactly the same places.

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#2326679 29-Sep-2019 12:44

old3eyes:

Now that the streaming issues seem to have been sorted the anti Spark snowflakes at Stuff are complaining about the adds during the game.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116176893/rugby-world-cup-2019-anger-at-spark-sports-ads-after-japans-victory-over-ireland

Wonder if these people ever watch Sky's Sport broadcast who plays adds in exactly the same places.

You'll never pleaze everyone.

Well it's not like they can report sparksport did a great job, that would be far too easy...

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#2326731 29-Sep-2019 14:49

msparkus4378: The quality options in Kodi show the streams as 60 and 30fps. But the actual streams are 50 and 25fps as confirmed by Ctl-Shift-O and by fact that Kodi switches the tv from 60 to 50Hz for playback when auto display switching is enabled. So it's almost like that streams are mislabeled in the manifest?

Hah, yep, but also, some of the RWC content is also 30fps (eg the 1014 episodes).

So from a quick selection of tests,

full games (live or OD)/Daily highlights are 25/50 fps
highlights of individual games are 25 fps
NZ based on demand content 30 fps

Its interesting, some of the content has 5.1 audio (eg old WC games / individual match highlights) and others are 2channel

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#2326796 29-Sep-2019 17:48

LH44:

tdgeek:

Dingbatt:

I’m not familiar enough with how this all works, but if it’s coming in from overseas on a Saturday night here, when the international gaming (and probably streaming as well) is at its heaviest, would that make a difference?

Not that I can see. The issue with the AB's game had 132000 tuned in, that issue wasnt the source feed or local congestion, it was that the video config meant that only 1 of the 6 Akamai servers was in action. When 6000 hopped off it was fine, even though it was still "underfunded" with servers. Apart from 1 (maybe a couple more if I missed them) very brief quality drops last night it was fine. So if I take that as "gospel" then if it was fine for me it was fine for everyone, at least Japan to USA to Akamai to me, then the variance is the user end. As we all had the same Japan to USA to Akamai

The NZvRSA game actually had 136k viewers and you're right it wasn't anything to do with source or local congestion, It was a akamai midgress traffic routing issue as a result caused poor load balancing on content distribution from their edge nodes. As a result "some" customers had issues not all. This routing issue has been fixed but I think we would get a better indication if its all sorted on wed with the next AB's which will likely draw more than 100k least.

I experienced mild bit-rate drops when I was connected to 2.4Ghz wifi on Wales vs Georgia game and as soon as I switched to 5Ghz and assigned an unused channel, I experienced no issues since, Flawless 1080p 60fps. Also cannot stress the importance of having low latency in live streaming.

You infer what I suspect. Live steaming is not Netlix. If I had great Spark Sport and you didnt, its either you or your RSP. I dont think RSP's are an issue, so it comes back to user issues. Maybe the device struggles at 1080/50? Maybe wifi is marginal. Maybe the STB isnt great, or the TV, talk Sony. Maybe the TV settings are poor? My Panny plasma I have motion ON as while the ball isnt quite as good, motion on is better overall. Another may have it off and sees jitter.

Ideally someone can expose the best STB, and we all run with that.

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#2326798 29-Sep-2019 17:49

sbiddle:

It might have been mentioned elsewhere previously but can anybody actually confirm Spark Sport is broadcasting in 60Hz? And if they are, why?

I know lots of people on here keep referring to 60Hz, but I was told a few weeks by a good source this is definitely not the case and their streams are 50Hz. Master 1080 and 4K feeds out of Japan are 60Hz because Japan is a NTSC country, but I was told the master streams to iStreamPlanet are 50Hz because they're converted by TVNZ and the same source feed is used for the Duke and TVNZ1 feeds after the 50Hz conversion locally. It would therefore seem strange you'd actually have a need to have both 50Hz and 60Hz feeds out there.

I think many of us label it it as HIGH fps, and label it incorrectly.

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#2326799 29-Sep-2019 17:50

tdgeek:

I think many of us label it it as HIGH fps, and label it incorrectly.

Sesh, If we really want high fps, i expect to have my 240 i sit at for games....

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#2326800 29-Sep-2019 17:53

old3eyes:

Now that the streaming issues seem to have been sorted the anti Spark snowflakes at Stuff are complaining about the adds during the game.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116176893/rugby-world-cup-2019-anger-at-spark-sports-ads-after-japans-victory-over-ireland

Wonder if these people ever watch Sky's Sport broadcast who plays adds in exactly the same places.

You'll never pleaze everyone.

After a LONG day at golf and the requisite rehydrating, I read on Stuff that JPN vs IRE was a fail.

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#2326809 29-Sep-2019 18:55

Sky copped flak for ads in the past. They are certainly a better production house how and understand that a game like that requires a little longer post-match before cutting to ads. Spark don't get this yet, they're still learning. Being called out on it will help with their learning.

The ad break after IREvJPN was way too quick, there's no question there.

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#2326839 29-Sep-2019 20:48

Sound is all over the place for me here....

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#2326842 29-Sep-2019 20:53

demeter23:

Sound is all over the place for me here....

yep definitely out of sync. At least there’s just the one set of commentators now

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#2326844 29-Sep-2019 20:55

Well out of sync tonight.

Double commentary was interesting, especially when hearing someone that appeared to be from the SpSp team saying "just block it out" just after kickoff.

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