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#2328216 1-Oct-2019 23:31

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5 years, 45 a year, that makes sense.

Spark Sport, $240 per annum 190,000 new subscribers. Sky's declining profit make 45 per year a lot of money. Ok, less what they pay now. Its a risk both ways.

What if Spark and TVNZ shared this? Wheras Sky cannot charge extra, Spark/TVNZ can.

Where are you getting sub figures from, there is no way spark has anywhere near 190k subs, If only 113k watched the ABs 1st game with RWC tournament passes you can only imagine how low the standard subs are. Of that 113k I'd hesitate to guess between 10-15% would have free passes given away with contracts and new mobiles.

As for Spark/TVNZ it may as well be just Spark, TVNZ makes loss on loss and has hardly any budget for that. It is propped up by the government.

Also FWIW Sky's current 5 year Sanzar deal was $350 million over 5 years, hence the upcoming bid of $400 ish. Spark may have the money sure, but if they take a big loss on the RWC will they want to spend it?

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#2328234 2-Oct-2019 07:19

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5 years, 45 a year, that makes sense.

Spark Sport, $240 per annum 190,000 new subscribers. Sky's declining profit make 45 per year a lot of money. Ok, less what they pay now. Its a risk both ways.

What if Spark and TVNZ shared this? Wheras Sky cannot charge extra, Spark/TVNZ can.

Where are you getting sub figures from, there is no way spark has anywhere near 190k subs, If only 113k watched the ABs 1st game with RWC tournament passes you can only imagine how low the standard subs are. Of that 113k I'd hesitate to guess between 10-15% would have free passes given away with contracts and new mobiles.

As for Spark/TVNZ it may as well be just Spark, TVNZ makes loss on loss and has hardly any budget for that. It is propped up by the government.

Also FWIW Sky's current 5 year Sanzar deal was $350 million over 5 years, hence the upcoming bid of $400 ish. Spark may have the money sure, but if they take a big loss on the RWC will they want to spend it?

Future numbers not actuals. A poster quoted Sky was willing to pay 250M for 5 years, you say 400? 190,000 new subs is what would be required by Spark. 132k watched the first AB game not 113. How many forego Spark to watch free and delayed? Many I'd suggest, if not heaps. Its hard to see how anyone makes money on the RWC, Sky was probably happy to lose it.

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#2328237 2-Oct-2019 07:40

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

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#2328239 2-Oct-2019 07:57

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I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

Good question. Playback on supported devices seems to be 100%. Unsupported , less so. Aside from a very very few production issues, it all comes down to unsupported devices and home issues, maybe this is why?

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#2328240 2-Oct-2019 08:05

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Future numbers not actuals. A poster quoted Sky was willing to pay 250M for 5 years, you say 400? 190,000 new subs is what would be required by Spark. 132k watched the first AB game not 113. How many forego Spark to watch free and delayed? Many I'd suggest, if not heaps. Its hard to see how anyone makes money on the RWC, Sky was probably happy to lose it.

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Ahh I see, yes $350 million was from 2014-2019 so it will need to be more than that hence the $400 quoted in the NZHerald post above. My bad on the stream figure it was 133k, the funny thing is 133-135k is the figure Spark needed to sell to break even. I don't think they got close, I know 4 people in my office alone who got given the RWC pass for free, one purchased a chromecast at NL and got given a pass haha.

I'd say Spark Sport subs outside RWC are probably in the 10-25k bracket, I doubt spark will ever announce it as it won't look good.

Actually if Spark Sport subs are $240 a year then they will need a lot of new subs to cover $400 million+ hence if they get Rugby rights Spark Sport will soon become at least $40-$50 a month even an increase of $30 a month to cover the rugby costs they will need over 220,000 subs to cover the bid all in at least 12 month contracts. If they only have 130 for a RWC its a LONG way from 220 actually sold.

Sky doesn't look so bad now does it

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#2328243 2-Oct-2019 08:22

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Future numbers not actuals. A poster quoted Sky was willing to pay 250M for 5 years, you say 400? 190,000 new subs is what would be required by Spark. 132k watched the first AB game not 113. How many forego Spark to watch free and delayed? Many I'd suggest, if not heaps. Its hard to see how anyone makes money on the RWC, Sky was probably happy to lose it.

Some suggest Spark and Sky

Ahh I see, yes $350 million was from 2014-2019 so it will need to be more than that hence the $400 quoted in the NZHerald post above. My bad on the stream figure it was 133k, the funny thing is 133-135k is the figure Spark needed to sell to break even. I don't think they got close, I know 4 people in my office alone who got given the RWC pass for free, one purchased a chromecast at NL and got given a pass haha.

I'd say Spark Sport subs outside RWC are probably in the 10-25k bracket, I doubt spark will ever announce it as it won't look good.

Actually if Spark Sport subs are $240 a year then they will need a lot of new subs to cover $400 million+ hence if they get Rugby rights Spark Sport will soon become at least $40-$50 a month even an increase of $30 a month to cover the rugby costs they will need over 220,000 subs to cover the bid all in at least 12 month contracts. If they only have 130 for a RWC its a LONG way from 220 actually sold.

Sky doesn't look so bad now does it

Sky does look bad, if you read GZ except for maybe 3 or 4 of us, and Stuff! :-) But I know what you mean

If they got rugby, that may be an add on you would expect. Remember that for a while now you can get Sky Sport for $55 (admittedly non recording), that didnt work, subscibers still dropped. . If SkySportNow and Spark Sport cost $50 each and both had a good complement of sport that's $100. Same end result as SVOD where "streaming is king", except we now have to buy multiple services. Worse off. For sport, it might well be that we may end up paying the old Sky price, but we will get more content. Spark has sports that Sky never had. Plus, we get sports that are more portable, not tied to an STB. So maybe we will end up being better off even if that's not price, so perhaps two providers works. If we start getting 3 or 4 providers that's just a mess like SVOD

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#2328256 2-Oct-2019 08:48

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

Good question. Playback on supported devices seems to be 100%. Unsupported , less so. Aside from a very very few production issues, it all comes down to unsupported devices and home issues, maybe this is why?

Which unsupported devices would those be?

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#2328276 2-Oct-2019 08:57

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I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

It's 50fps Steve. Everyone still refers to it as 60fps though

Content that Sparksport gets In 60fps they supply it in that rate to be clear.

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#2328278 2-Oct-2019 08:58

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sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

It's 50fps Steve. Everyone still refers to it as 60fps though

Including Spark!

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/streaming-issues/devices-that-support-60-frames-per-second-when-streaming-spark-sport

I can't find a single reference to 50FPS on Spark Sports Website.

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#2328281 2-Oct-2019 09:00

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tdgeek:

sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

Good question. Playback on supported devices seems to be 100%. Unsupported , less so. Aside from a very very few production issues, it all comes down to unsupported devices and home issues, maybe this is why?

Which unsupported devices would those be?

Specifically? No idea as no one posts that very often. What we know is that Spark removed many devices from supported to either unsupported or supported at lower settings after the 30fps period. Matt Huismans addon bypasses the frame lock, so a device that doesn't work well in 60fps and is locked not to 30, can run at 60. Giving potential problems. I;m unsure if sideloading has a similar effect

We know that Spark often states that there were no issues, which means no issues on supported devices, and that they say they are getting calls with issues which are the rest. The criticism there is why can Kayo supposedly support every device, old or not, and Spark doesn't? The 60fps that Steve raised is possibly why

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#2328282 2-Oct-2019 09:00

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hio77:
sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

It's 50fps Steve. Everyone still refers to it as 60fps though

Including Spark!

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/streaming-issues/devices-that-support-60-frames-per-second-when-streaming-spark-sport

I can't find a single reference to 50FPS on Spark Sports Website.

That's a list of maximum supported frame rates for devices from spark sport?....

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#2328284 2-Oct-2019 09:02

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hio77:
sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

It's 50fps Steve. Everyone still refers to it as 60fps though

Including Spark!

https://help.sparksport.co.nz/streaming-issues/devices-that-support-60-frames-per-second-when-streaming-spark-sport

I can't find a single reference to 50FPS on Spark Sports Website.

That's what I see too. The NOG video from yesteryear also mentioned 60fps I'm pretty sure of that

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#2328290 2-Oct-2019 09:10

hio77:
sbiddle:

I'm still struggling to understand why (assuming it is broadcast at 60 FPS) Spark Sport are broadcasting rugby at 60 FPS rather than 50. 60 FPS support does seem to be an issue with some devices, and is potentially leading to some of the issues people are having.

When the TVNZ playout is at 50 FPS why is this then being converted to 60 FPS for Spark Sport? It makes zero sense.

It's 50fps Steve. Everyone still refers to it as 60fps though

Content that Sparksport gets In 60fps they supply it in that rate to be clear.

Ah. Blows my theory away then. As to why some devices cannot manage what is now 50fps, but Kayo can. Clearly the end feeds differ somewhat one would assume

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#2328291 2-Oct-2019 09:14

That's a list of maximum supported frame rates for devices from spark sport?....

I think you are being pretty disengenious here. You know full and well, that Spark has not been promoting that it's 50FPS, until today I had never heard an official word from Spark that it was 50FPS. Every bit of good and bad press has been about 30/60FPS, and there is no mention of 50FPS

on the website. All conversations I have had with support (and management for that matter) have reflected 30 or 60FPS not 50FPS.

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#2328292 2-Oct-2019 09:16

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That's a list of maximum supported frame rates for devices from spark sport?....

I think you are being pretty disengenious here. You know full and well, that Spark has not been promoting that it's 50FPS, until today I had never heard an official word from Spark that it was 50FPS. Every bit of good and bad press has been about 30/60FPS, and there is no mention of 50FPS

on the website. All conversations I have had with support (and management for that matter) have reflected 30 or 60FPS not 50FPS.

Because if you start going into details of why 50 rather than 60 etc we get into this conversation.

It just confuses consumers.

You being around geekzone for as long as you have would know I make a point of not being disingenuous..

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