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  #3156730 6-Nov-2023 16:42
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mattwnz:

 

Although that maybe true, when they give these vaccine out, I don't think they have ver given out different versions of covid vaccine to pacific islanders.

 

 

Yes indeed, that's another tradeoff. Do we go to the expense of having separate vaccines for some minority or other? If yes, you're asking your GPs or Practice Nurses to correctly assess the genetic makeup of the patient.

 

 

 Plus they are supposed to be tested by the manufactures anyway with their trials, and how is a small countries testig processes going to be much better than that anyway.

 

 

Yes indeed. But how many Pacific Islanders or Eskimos or Zulu or Crimean Tartars are going to be in a study of (say) 100,000?

 

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They also have a big pacific island population in Australia. IMO they should probably merge with Australia, which is now common for many things like this to get economies of scale and speed. 

 

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They also have a large Aboriginal population in Australia, whilst in NZ it's minimal. Would you like to pay more for medicines because they're safe for Aboriginals?

 

The original post was about Medsafe considering the new vaccine. I expect that "considering" it mostly involve looking at what other countries have done (approved/declined) and the reasons they've given for that, and then looking at NZ's unique situation to see if there's any reason to do differently from the other countries. In a few cases where the outcome wasn't obvious, they might run a trial themselves or ask the manufacturer to do so.

 

 




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  #3156744 6-Nov-2023 17:14
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Possibly Medsafe don't see point of approving something that the manufacturer is still ramping up production on?

 

Given we are not first cab off the rank when global pharma giants are looking at who gets priority.

 

Simple as avoiding the calls of 'are we there yet' having approved and in 'now we wait' phase.

 

Probably gets a bit more complicated if you have a number of competing options.
Timing on when they might support NZ vs value and efficacy.

 

May be rational to wait and not spend/waste taxpayer money till you know what you can get when.

 

I'm sure the anti whatever crowd would go to town on.
So your'e just going to trust, EU, Australia, USA.
Um Yeh So? 'Lots of Waving Hands in Air Like You Just Don't Care' 
While other part of population is asking where their supply is.
Why they are given brand X when their favorite brand Y is also approved.

 

Naturally Australia being a 'Proper Continent' may get first bite.
If I had a Nickel for every time a US or Asia office said they sent something to the Australian office.
I can just drive across the harbor bridge and collect, no need to get sniffy its not in NZ. :-) 

 

 


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  #3156753 6-Nov-2023 18:19
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MikeB4:

 

I have mentioned this here previously, my daughter is a medical doctor and is now a medical research scientist. When I asked her about Medsafe a while back and do we need it her response was an emfatic yes. I asked my son (psychologist) after seeing this thread and his answer was the same.

 

 

That's nice. Giving some reasons why would be far more interesting.




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  #3156754 6-Nov-2023 18:22
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MikeB4:
mattwnz:

 

It is not whether such an organisation is needed, it is whether it could be merged with Australia's equivalent, to potentially have more resources and better economies of scale, and avoid duplication. That potentially saves both money and time. 

 



The idea of "budget" medical safety is ludicrous.

 

Being more efficient is rarely a bad thing. Certainly considering different ways of doing things is usually a net positive.

 

Medsafe runs on a budget, which is probably why a number of medicines approved in other parts of the world take a long time to get approved in New Zealand.


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  #3156755 6-Nov-2023 18:24
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ezbee:

 


Possibly Medsafe don't see point of approving something that the manufacturer is still ramping up production on?

 

 

AFAIK Medsafe doesn't proactively approve medication. The manufacturer/importer applies for medication to be approved and pays the requisite fees.


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  #3156766 6-Nov-2023 20:13
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Worthwhile checking their website to get an understanding of what they do

 

 

 

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/other/about.asp

 

 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3156769 6-Nov-2023 20:35
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Geektastic: I was just reading an article about Covid vaccines and some new ones.

The new ones are already approved in Europe and Australia.

Medsafe is “considering” them.

I cannot for the life of me see the point in having our own bureaucracy duplicate those processes. We’re physiologically the same as humans in Australia and Europe. It just seems like an enormous waste of time and money.

Is there a reason we need to do this?

 

because we don't want to pay more for stuff that are not worth the paper they're printed on. we need to do our own research. hopefully we do.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/index.html

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-deceptive-campaign-for-bivalent-covid-boosters-cdc-fda-biden-vaccines-moderna-pfizer-wuhan-imprinting-11674400955

 

 


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  #3156770 6-Nov-2023 20:56
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Handle9:

MikeB4:


I have mentioned this here previously, my daughter is a medical doctor and is now a medical research scientist. When I asked her about Medsafe a while back and do we need it her response was an emfatic yes. I asked my son (psychologist) after seeing this thread and his answer was the same.



That's nice. Giving some reasons why would be far more interesting.



No, I doubt you would understand




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.


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  #3156772 6-Nov-2023 21:03
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MikeB4:
Handle9:


That's nice. Giving some reasons why would be far more interesting.



No, I doubt you would understand


If you are unable to explain then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you don’t know.

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  #3156775 6-Nov-2023 21:16
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Handle9: 



If you are unable to explain then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you don’t know.

 

Swing and a miss. My knowledge is fine maybe your comprehension is the issue.





Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.


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  #3156779 6-Nov-2023 21:22
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MikeB4:

Handle9: 



If you are unable to explain then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you don’t know.


Swing and a miss. My knowledge is fine maybe your comprehension is the issue.



What is there to comprehend? You can’t/won’t substantiate what you posted.


 
 
 
 

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  #3156785 6-Nov-2023 21:39
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Handsomedan:

 

My issue with them is that they also prevent certain things coming in but don't offer good alternatives or reasonable grounds for the ban. 

 

 

Medicines aren't "banned" (although that is the net effect), they aren't approved.

 

To be approved they need to demonstrate they meet the regulatory framework, I'm assuming around efficacy and safety.

 

It's a fairly important distinction that it's on the drug importer/manufacturer to prove the drugs safety and effectiveness rather than on the regulator to provide alternatives.

 

There is a process for unapproved medicines which involves some hoops to jump through. I really don't know how difficult this is.


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  #3156792 6-Nov-2023 21:50
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Handle9:

What is there to comprehend? You can’t/won’t substantiate what you posted.

 

Whatever makes you happy. I am not wasting my time and energy explaining to you or debating with you.





Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.


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  #3156794 6-Nov-2023 21:55
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MikeB4:

 

Handle9:

What is there to comprehend? You can’t/won’t substantiate what you posted.

 

Whatever makes you happy. I am not wasting my time and energy explaining to you or debating with you.

 

 

Okey dokey. It's a shame you don't want to make a useful contribution to the thread.


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  #3156831 7-Nov-2023 06:47
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Of course we need an authority to ensure medicines are safe. The OP question is do we need our own or could we trust someone else’s such as Australia, EU or USA.

I believe we can. Has there ever been a drug one of those jurisdictions allowed that NZ banned that turned out to be harmful? If so balance that against the harm caused by delayed availability of helpful drugs in NZ because of Medsafe?

I believe we are not sufficiently different to other countries to warrant Medsafe delaying everything. Drop Medsafe and transfer the funding to Pharmac. Now you are saving lives.

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