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#1454424 21-Dec-2015 12:23

I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. One reason I chose it over the Toyota Prius (apart from looks) is that they have promised that the cost of replacing the battery will not be more than NZD800 (vs NZD6000 or something for the Prius).

I do a 76km round trip each day, mostly on the motorway. Yes hybrid is somewhat less efficient on the motorway (at speed), but then again, most of my stop/start motoring is actually on the motorway...

I average around 5.2l/100km. You could do as much with a small petrol car, but I like to think of the Civic as a slightly bigger car.

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#1454497 21-Dec-2015 12:51

TimA:

My Audi was very efficient, I got about 26L per 100KM.
Open road low boost setting and less fuel was around 16L per 100KM

I assume 26l per 100k is a typo
That is not very efficient at all.

My fathers Porsche Boxter S does around 12l per 100km

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#1454548 21-Dec-2015 13:38

nzkiwiman:
TimA:

My Audi was very efficient, I got about 26L per 100KM.
Open road low boost setting and less fuel was around 16L per 100KM

I assume 26l per 100k is a typo
That is not very efficient at all.

My fathers Porsche Boxter S does around 12l per 100km

My Ford Mondeo does 13.2L / 100K around town and about 10 on a trip. Not the most fuel efficient vehicle for a fairly modern car.. My wife's Corolla does about 7.2 / 100K around town and down to 6.1 on a trip..

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#1454549 21-Dec-2015 13:42

n4: I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. One reason I chose it over the Toyota Prius (apart from looks) is that they have promised that the cost of replacing the battery will not be more than NZD800 (vs NZD6000 or something for the Prius).

I do a 76km round trip each day, mostly on the motorway. Yes hybrid is somewhat less efficient on the motorway (at speed), but then again, most of my stop/start motoring is actually on the motorway...

I average around 5.2l/100km. You could do as much with a small petrol car, but I like to think of the Civic as a slightly bigger car.

Assuming you bought your Civic new, what is the warranty that is offered on the battery? I know Prius has 8 Year warranty or 160,000kms which ever is first. The cost to replace Prius battery is considerably cheaper than $6000 and it depends on what is required mostly.

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#1454583 21-Dec-2015 14:29

nzkiwiman:
TimA:

My Audi was very efficient, I got about 26L per 100KM.
Open road low boost setting and less fuel was around 16L per 100KM

I assume 26l per 100k is a typo
That is not very efficient at all.

My fathers Porsche Boxter S does around 12l per 100km

It's a hacked V8. It definitely drinks more petrol and that would be right. About the power that Tim claims ... Dyno charts or it didn't happen!

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#1454635 21-Dec-2015 16:16

n4: I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. One reason I chose it over the Toyota Prius (apart from looks) is that they have promised that the cost of replacing the battery will not be more than NZD800 (vs NZD6000 or something for the Prius).
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Topic starter is looking into Prius C. I like the look of yellow Aqua (Prius C).

Prius C purely from the battery perspective (set aside the size, comfort and cheap looking plastic inside):

- Battery is compiled from 20 x 7.2V NP2 EV Energy modules - exactly the same modules as used in 28-module pack in Prius / Prius V, in 34-module pack in Camry or in 40-module pack in some (not all) Lexus Hybrid.

Which means that when the time comes to change the pack - the choices will be endless - donor can be any from above Toyotas from wreck.
Failed pack from the above donors could be repacked into Prius C if there are still 20 good left with URC over, say 2.7AH

From my testing experience: failed 28 module packs in different Prius: 2, 4 or in one case 20 failed modules. The rest had usable capacity from 1 AH to 3.7 AH.
If those remaining 20 are in conformance with each other (easy test on my 20-channel Analyser www.hybrids.co.nz) - then you Prius C is an easy fix.

There are much more Toyota hybrids in New Zealand then Hondas and finding the used pack is not a problem.
In some Hondas (not in all models) 6-cell modules are welded in pairs making it harder to replace and they are not the same as in Toyotas making them hard to find.

I am myself now facing hard decision: which one to get next year as a testing car for my Lab: Prius C (Aqua) or Prius? To be able to conduct Live tests on rebuild packs. Taxi use 28 module Prius - perhaps I will go with that option. Of course I would like to have all possible options - from Aqua to Lexus :-)

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#1454641 21-Dec-2015 16:23

Slightly Off topic: Why do we measure fuel efficiency in litre/100km and not something sensible like km/litre...?

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#1454643 21-Dec-2015 16:24

mdooher: Slightly Off topic: Why do we measure fuel efficiency in litre/100km and not something sensible like km/litre...?

I always had that question on my mind. Japanese imported Prius or other cars does the other way around Km/Litre and it makes immediate sense.

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#1454644 21-Dec-2015 16:31

maxeon:
mdooher: Slightly Off topic: Why do we measure fuel efficiency in litre/100km and not something sensible like km/litre...?

I always had that question on my mind. Japanese imported Prius or other cars does the other way around Km/Litre and it makes immediate sense.

I seem to remember we always used miles/gallon.

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#1455319 22-Dec-2015 14:22

I have a third generation Prius. Real world consumption shows as 4.2-4.4 L / 100K, depends on if you're using eco/power mode, air con etc. Recently drove from Auckland to New Plymouth then Wellington, 720K on one tank and car said it could go 80K more still.

Another option could be the plug in hybrid electric varient of the Prius. A colleague goes from Huia to Auckland CBD and back every day in a Nissan Leaf, fully electric. They're a very good option if you live in their range or could charge it at work.

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#1455326 22-Dec-2015 14:33

VodafoneDylan: I have a third generation Prius. Real world consumption shows as 4.2-4.4 L / 100K, depends on if you're using eco/power mode, air con etc. Recently drove from Auckland to New Plymouth then Wellington, 720K on one tank and car said it could go 80K more still.

Another option could be the plug in hybrid electric varient of the Prius. A colleague goes from Huia to Auckland CBD and back every day in a Nissan Leaf, fully electric. They're a very good option if you live in their range or could charge it at work.

Wow that's great to know.
I am currently getting 550 before I need to fill up.

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#1455327 22-Dec-2015 14:34

RUKI:
n4: I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. One reason I chose it over the Toyota Prius (apart from looks) is that they have promised that the cost of replacing the battery will not be more than NZD800 (vs NZD6000 or something for the Prius).
......

Topic starter is looking into Prius C. I like the look of yellow Aqua (Prius C).

Prius C purely from the battery perspective (set aside the size, comfort and cheap looking plastic inside):

- Battery is compiled from 20 x 7.2V NP2 EV Energy modules - exactly the same modules as used in 28-module pack in Prius / Prius V, in 34-module pack in Camry or in 40-module pack in some (not all) Lexus Hybrid.

Which means that when the time comes to change the pack - the choices will be endless - donor can be any from above Toyotas from wreck.
Failed pack from the above donors could be repacked into Prius C if there are still 20 good left with URC over, say 2.7AH

From my testing experience: failed 28 module packs in different Prius: 2, 4 or in one case 20 failed modules. The rest had usable capacity from 1 AH to 3.7 AH.
If those remaining 20 are in conformance with each other (easy test on my 20-channel Analyser www.hybrids.co.nz) - then you Prius C is an easy fix.

There are much more Toyota hybrids in New Zealand then Hondas and finding the used pack is not a problem.
In some Hondas (not in all models) 6-cell modules are welded in pairs making it harder to replace and they are not the same as in Toyotas making them hard to find.

I am myself now facing hard decision: which one to get next year as a testing car for my Lab: Prius C (Aqua) or Prius? To be able to conduct Live tests on rebuild packs. Taxi use 28 module Prius - perhaps I will go with that option. Of course I would like to have all possible options - from Aqua to Lexus :-)

Hahaha well the yellow one does look great!

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#1455328 22-Dec-2015 14:35

maxeon:
n4: I have a Honda Civic Hybrid. One reason I chose it over the Toyota Prius (apart from looks) is that they have promised that the cost of replacing the battery will not be more than NZD800 (vs NZD6000 or something for the Prius).

I do a 76km round trip each day, mostly on the motorway. Yes hybrid is somewhat less efficient on the motorway (at speed), but then again, most of my stop/start motoring is actually on the motorway...

I average around 5.2l/100km. You could do as much with a small petrol car, but I like to think of the Civic as a slightly bigger car.

Assuming you bought your Civic new, what is the warranty that is offered on the battery? I know Prius has 8 Year warranty or 160,000kms which ever is first. The cost to replace Prius battery is considerably cheaper than $6000 and it depends on what is required mostly.

8 year warranty for sure, can't recall the mileage but pretty sure its the same as the Prius warranty. I'm talking dealer pricing for battery replacement - I'm sure aftermarket options are cheaper.

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#1455332 22-Dec-2015 14:40

VodafoneDylan: I have a third generation Prius. Real world consumption shows as 4.2-4.4 L / 100K, depends on if you're using eco/power mode, air con etc. Recently drove from Auckland to New Plymouth then Wellington, 720K on one tank and car said it could go 80K more still.

Another option could be the plug in hybrid electric varient of the Prius. A colleague goes from Huia to Auckland CBD and back every day in a Nissan Leaf, fully electric. They're a very good option if you live in their range or could charge it at work.

I've been looking at the Leaf (somewhat longingly) as the replacement for my Honda Civic Hybrid. 75km is within the Leaf range and I can charge up overnight at home. Can't really make the business case work (investment vs savings) on replacing the Honda now, so will have to wait until the Honda is 'end-of-life' first. On that topic I couldn't justify a new hybrid when I bought the Honda, but buying a four year old car meant the savings justified the (by then slight) premium over a non-hybrid.

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#1455354 22-Dec-2015 14:43

Oriphix:
VodafoneDylan: I have a third generation Prius. Real world consumption shows as 4.2-4.4 L / 100K, depends on if you're using eco/power mode, air con etc. Recently drove from Auckland to New Plymouth then Wellington, 720K on one tank and car said it could go 80K more still.

Another option could be the plug in hybrid electric varient of the Prius. A colleague goes from Huia to Auckland CBD and back every day in a Nissan Leaf, fully electric. They're a very good option if you live in their range or could charge it at work.

Wow that's great to know.
I am currently getting 550 before I need to fill up.

Forgot to mention that was two people and lots of junk for holiday and some camping. So if it's just one person in dialy commute expect would be lighter and you would probably go a bit further.

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