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#1547604 6-May-2016 13:11

Agree that incentives are needed. Dont agree on them using bus lanes as everyone has pointed out, Bus lanes are to reduce congestion and promote public transport (which in auckland is no where near where it should be).

But on the flipside, i will be ok when govt removes this incentive when there are enough EVs. At the moment, I probably see more Feraris, Lambos, etc than I see EVs

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#1547607 6-May-2016 13:17

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jarledb: There are 1000 EVs in NZ at the moment, allowing them to use the bus lane will to little to disrupt anything now.

This low number surprises me. I spot the Leaf all the time in Auckland. Where is that number from? I'm sure it is much higher. It does make sense they will be concentrated in urban areas. Auckland suburban and city traffic is a perfect use case.

And with the "incentives" from the government I don't think anyone need to worry there will be lots of them anytime soon.

They are already economic for many users. Price is dropping. Manufacturers are increasing production. Secondhand market is healthy.

Really? I don't know where those numbers are coming from - as far as I can quickly tell, there's only one mass produced EV in the NZ market.

http://nissan.co.nz/Cars-Vehicles/Leaf/Overview (intentional 404 error) - pulled from the market

http://www.holden.co.nz/cars - nada

http://toyota.co.nz/our-range/ - nada - we're talking EVs not Hybrids

http://www.hyundai.co.nz/new-cars/all-cars/ - nada

https://www.mmnz.co.nz/plug-in-hybrid - is about the closest as it plugs in, and there's a $20 k difference from the normal outlander.

http://www.audi.co.nz/nz/brand/en/models/a3/e-tron.html# - yay 1. But Normal A3 Sport back petrol or diesel is $56k etron is $75k

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jarledb: But people with enough money in cities like Auckland and Wellington will be getting an EV as their second car (used for commuting).

Yep it's happening.

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#1547612 6-May-2016 13:25

I like how everyone claims electric cars to be environmentally friendly. The lithium batteries they use and the processes required to produce lithium are anything but environmentally friendly. Can't see the greenies giving up their mobile phones, or even protesting about things such as this, anytime soon though.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/hold-smugness-tesla-might-just-worse-environment-know/

http://www.theguardian.com/vital-signs/2015/jun/10/tesla-batteries-environment-lithium-elon-musk-powerwall

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es400614y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

All that aside, I agree - EV's in bus lanes is a dumb idea.

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#1547624 6-May-2016 13:58

1. The electric cars in the bus lane? This is really meant to entice Aucklanders! Btw, this will not make the traffic in Auckland any better!

2. What is wrong with National trying to out-do the Green???

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#1547649 6-May-2016 14:36

Electric Cars in NZ

http://driveelectric.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/NZ-Electric-Car-Guide-5April2016.pdf

I googled today as I am looking at a new car to replace mine - which is largely a home -> work car.

The only vaguely nice ones are the Teslas (120k+) or the VW (not available yet and low range).

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#1547660 6-May-2016 15:04

Sounds like a sensible idea to me, while; bus lanes are underutilized, and EV uptake remains low.

The people who have pooh-poohed the idea haven't offered any good reasons why.

Off topic, ACC levies for motorcycles are high because people on motorcycles are much more likely to get seriously injured in an incident and cost the taxpayer an exorbitant amount of money. Seems fair enough.

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#1547661 6-May-2016 15:04

wasabi2k:

The only vaguely nice ones are the Teslas (120k+) or the VW (not available yet and low range).

Yeah, I've put myself down with the $1k deposit for the tesla, but after looking at pics of the 3 and how tiny it is, I hope I am in a position to get the bigger one when they finally come around incase I dont like sitting in the small 3.

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#1547665 6-May-2016 15:10

wasabi2k:

Electric Cars in NZ

http://driveelectric.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/NZ-Electric-Car-Guide-5April2016.pdf

I googled today as I am looking at a new car to replace mine - which is largely a home -> work car.

The only vaguely nice ones are the Teslas (120k+) or the VW (not available yet and low range).

Did you read that PDF?

Im assuming imports only mean 2nd hand imports

Leaf - Imports Only

Mitsi i-miev - import only

Telsa S - import only (new from Aus)

Nissan e-NZ200 - import only

Telsa X - import only (new from Aus)

Renaut Zoe - Coming

VW egolf - coming

Tesla 3 - Coming 2018

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#1547667 6-May-2016 15:12

Electric is the future but I don't believe plug in is the future, hydrogen fuel cell is the way to go long term but until then plug in EV's are a good alternative for short haul and Hybrids and alike for long haul.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1547668 6-May-2016 15:13

davidcole:

wasabi2k:

Electric Cars in NZ

http://driveelectric.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/NZ-Electric-Car-Guide-5April2016.pdf

I googled today as I am looking at a new car to replace mine - which is largely a home -> work car.

The only vaguely nice ones are the Teslas (120k+) or the VW (not available yet and low range).

Did you read that PDF?

Im assuming imports only mean 2nd hand imports

Leaf - Imports Only

Mitsi i-miev - import only

Telsa S - import only (new from Aus)

Nissan e-NZ200 - import only

Telsa X - import only (new from Aus)

Renaut Zoe - Coming

VW egolf - coming

Tesla 3 - Coming 2018

I skimmed - as I just wanted an idea of what options there were - I would consider import if it was cost effective, but would not consider a car that costs the same as a house deposit.

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#1547684 6-May-2016 15:36

wasabi2k:

davidcole:

wasabi2k:

Electric Cars in NZ

http://driveelectric.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/NZ-Electric-Car-Guide-5April2016.pdf

I googled today as I am looking at a new car to replace mine - which is largely a home -> work car.

The only vaguely nice ones are the Teslas (120k+) or the VW (not available yet and low range).

Did you read that PDF?

Im assuming imports only mean 2nd hand imports

Leaf - Imports Only

Mitsi i-miev - import only

Telsa S - import only (new from Aus)

Nissan e-NZ200 - import only

Telsa X - import only (new from Aus)

Renaut Zoe - Coming

VW egolf - coming

Tesla 3 - Coming 2018

I skimmed - as I just wanted an idea of what options there were - I would consider import if it was cost effective, but would not consider a car that costs the same as a house deposit.

I'm more annoyed that an EV is about 133% of a similar sized petrol/diesel version. I mean I know that there are expensive cars round (AMG Mercs, or S/RS Audis can cost near the region of a really cheapr house - in rural nz). But any "brand new" ev, at about $70 - $80 is about the same cost as a 3 Series BMW - when one of them is a family car, and the other is what I'd consider a small car.

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#1547693 6-May-2016 15:58

gzt:
jarledb: There are 1000 EVs in NZ at the moment, allowing them to use the bus lane will to little to disrupt anything now.

This low number surprises me. I spot the Leaf all the time in Auckland. Where is that number from? I'm sure it is much higher. It does make sense they will be concentrated in urban areas. Auckland suburban and city traffic is a perfect use case.

And with the "incentives" from the government I don't think anyone need to worry there will be lots of them anytime soon.

They are already economic for many users. Price is dropping. Manufacturers are increasing production. Secondhand market is healthy.

But people with enough money in cities like Auckland and Wellington will be getting an EV as their second car (used for commuting).

Yep it's happening.

Stats from @transportblog on twitter.

Fun fact, of the 1216 EV's/PHEV's in NZ: 638 are in Auckland 152 are in Christchurch 149 are in Wellington

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#1547696 6-May-2016 16:05

MikeB4:

Electric is the future but I don't believe plug in is the future, hydrogen fuel cell is the way to go long term but until then plug in EV's are a good alternative for short haul and Hybrids and alike for long haul.

How are you going to produce the hydrogen, electricity or oil based??

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#1547698 6-May-2016 16:06

Sam91:

I agree it's unnecessary.

Any Northern Express travellers out there? This reminds me of the Greville Rd on-ramp where there is a transit lane. During peak hour the Northern Express pulls off at Greville Rd and goes through to the transit lane on the Greville on-ramp, after the transit lane there is a bus lane. The problem is, the transit lane is only few hundred metres long, so all these T2 cars end up blocking access to the bus lane as they try to merge. Sometimes it can take several minutes for the buses to get through.

I also agree it is a bad idea. Just note that it is MOT suggesting this not Auckland Transport so the only one MOT could allow in Auckland from what I understand is Northern Busway as they own it. The rest will require Auckland Transport support which I would have thought highly unlikely.

I use Greville road transit most days and it is really bad. Fortunately a new design is due in a few weeks as part of the Northern Corridor improvements. Busways look underutalized because they are run efficiently and congestion free. Add single occupant EV's to them (also loads of taxis and ubers) and there goes moving 40% of people heading to the city efficiently.

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#1547701 6-May-2016 16:14

In some countries cars with 5 occupants can use bus lanes

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