As of 2026 Audi will only launch all-electric models

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#3014950 29-Dec-2022 09:59

I'm amazed nobody cares enough to start a separate automotive topic about this issue with detailed information that might be of interest to a wider audience than an Audi topic.

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#3014954 29-Dec-2022 10:26

gzt: I'm amazed nobody cares enough to start a separate automotive topic about this issue with detailed information that might be of interest to a wider audience than an Audi topic.

Probably because it's a cynical talking point that ignores the fact that no one cared about child labour and cobalt when we were buying new iPhones every year and just discarding the old ones, or that the industry is pivoting away from Cobalt as LFP densities improve and we find ways to use drastically less of it, or just not use it at all.

It also requires you to suspend belief and accept that every single component of your bog standard ICE vehicle is entirely 100% ethical and that it definitely isn't just cherry-picking one thing out of convenience for a ridiculous argument and rebutting with absurdities about people being 'pro child labour'.

When cobalt is discarded altogether, they'll move onto something else and claim that's now the worst thing possible ever, and therefore EVs bad.

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#3014957 29-Dec-2022 10:46

Batman: The exploitation started when cobalt demand increased from mass EV production, is my understanding, hence EV gets the blame for this, unless someone knows something else

There are other avenues for such exploitation, other than cobalt, however

It’s really a simple fix. Give workers safety gear and machinery, and pay them $10 a day. Not perfect but would go a long way.

Cobalt can be mined ethically, but tech companies prefer to turn a blind eye.

What annoys me are people with the same attitudes as Jarleb, whose world view is that cobalt must be mined using child labour in 18th century conditions or it cannot be mined at all.

Electric cars are the future and it is certainly possible to power them using ethically mined minerals. Cobalt seems particularly important at the moment, cobalt free batteries are inferior at this time so not really a solution to the problem.

One thing I find bizarre though, the very people who complain bitterly about using the wrong pronoun don’t give a rats about the children who die every week producing the battery that powers their car and Twitter account. Talk about priorities being wrong.

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#3015050 29-Dec-2022 11:12

Pronouns and cobolt? You're whacking away at pretend straw men or watching some super weird YouTube conspiracy videos. Please create a new topic with a cobolt labour discussion starter.

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#3015059 29-Dec-2022 12:21

surfisup1000:
One thing I find bizarre though, the very people who complain bitterly about using the wrong pronoun don’t give a rats about the children who die every week producing the battery that powers their car and Twitter account. Talk about priorities being wrong.

Is the thing you posted this on using a CMOS battery.

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#3015060 29-Dec-2022 12:25

Also, this could be wrong but the BYD Blade battery is cobalt-free. Unsure what part of if it you would describe as 'inferior' to the extent that it might actually matter, but plenty of people buying them in NZ seem to not be too fussed.

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#3015061 29-Dec-2022 12:26

surfisup1000:

Wow, never expected anyone to say they support slavery and child labour.

But, there you are.

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surfisup1000:

What annoys me are people with the same attitudes as Jarleb, whose world view is that cobalt must be mined using child labour in 18th century conditions or it cannot be mined at all.

Wow, ad hominem attacks. Really?!

You should read the FUG and pay extra attention to "Ad Hominem premises are not acceptable."

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#3015063 29-Dec-2022 12:27

I'll be super happy when they have a S4 Avant Electric and BMW do a M340i Touring in Electric.

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#3015069 29-Dec-2022 13:08

@surfisup1000: What annoys me are people with the same attitudes as Jarleb, whose world view is that cobalt must be mined using child labour in 18th century conditions or it cannot be mined at all.

Electric cars are the future and it is certainly possible to power them using ethically mined minerals. Cobalt seems particularly important at the moment, cobalt free batteries are inferior at this time so not really a solution to the problem.

One thing I find bizarre though, the very people who complain bitterly about using the wrong pronoun don’t give a rats about the children who die every week producing the battery that powers their car and Twitter account. Talk about priorities being wrong.

Stop with the strawman. Nowhere in this topic anyone said anything in support of child labour.

You are creating this to confuse the discourse.

I think it's time for you to read your previous replies and this one.

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