Does the 4km/ph speed tolerance in a school zone apply outside school hours?

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#1536620 20-Apr-2016 13:41

dickytim:

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Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

I agree that you get a good feel for speed over time, but I also don't think it's realistic to be 100% accurate in every moment. You're always going to fluctuate slightly as gears change and the road undulates. That moment that you get the feeling you need to glance at your speedo might be the one in which you drive past a camera, and then it's too late, as I discovered yesterday.

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#1536662 20-Apr-2016 14:26

dickytim:

Off Topic but:

Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

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Cop: did you know how fast you were going before?

Pulled over driver: no I drive by feel

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#1537167 21-Apr-2016 08:33

joker97:

dickytim:

Off Topic but:

Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

WOw.

Cop: did you know how fast you were going before?

Pulled over driver: no I drive by feel

They forgot to recognise that every other car around them was going slower than them but I guess they were all slow OAP's

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1537278 21-Apr-2016 10:34

All the cars around me do appear to be going slow if i am speeding.

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#1537790 21-Apr-2016 22:19

dickytim:

Off Topic but:

Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

Absolute rubbish. My car is CVT and I always drive with the radio on. There's absolutely no way I could determine with any accuracy what speed I was going based on "feel".

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#1538072 22-Apr-2016 13:05

This varies by vehicle.

If I jump out of the Pajero and into the Mazda 3 and I will under estimate speed and vice versa.

In the Mazda 90 - 120 feels/sounds very similar. Fortunately there is a HUD.

dickytim:

Off Topic but:

Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

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#1538130 22-Apr-2016 14:06

MikeAqua:

This varies by vehicle.

If I jump out of the Pajero and into the Mazda 3 and I will under estimate speed and vice versa.

In the Mazda 90 - 120 feels/sounds very similar. Fortunately there is a HUD.

dickytim:

Off Topic but:

Saying watching the speedo is a cop out, this is not the only indication of your speed, anyone who is a half decent driver and had a good feel for their car will know what speed they are doing and if they have deviated from that by feel, from here the occasional glance is all that is needed, if drivers are not capable of this then maybe they need to hand in their licence and catch the bus.

I find the road itself also makes a difference. On a big, wide, flat road 50 km/h feels slower than on a small, wiggly one. It doesn't help that everyone else feels the same and speeds up to 70 km/h, making your law-abiding 50 km/h feel like snail's pace. It can be quite the juggling act to find a happy balance between sticking to the limit and travelling at the speed of the traffic so as not to create issues. That's another argument altogether, though :o)

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#1541892 25-Apr-2016 23:53

Hi there, i was under the impression that the new 4km over the speed limit rule, covers all public and school holidays?

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#1541893 26-Apr-2016 00:20

AniNgawhetuPeri: Hi there, i was under the impression that the new 4km over the speed limit rule, covers all public and school holidays?

I'm not sure it applies on school holidays that aren't public holidays. If it does, there's no reason for the cop to have made such an effort to position his van inside the school zone.

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#1541901 26-Apr-2016 06:23

littleheaven:

I found a document at FYI.org which states, rather ambiguously:

Speed limits are enforced on a risk targeted basis, between 0730 and 1800 hours on any school day or any other time there is a school activity or event. This may include sports activities and drama nights.

As part of the ‘Speed Kills Kids’ programme, any driver who is detected within a school zone, at a speed of more than 4 km/h above the speed limit, must be issued with an offence notice.

The highlighting has been added by me. So which is it - enforced only 7:30-18:00 on school days, or permanently? Does anyone know? I guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks, either way.

Firstly, I wouldn't believe everything I read on the internet. If I did, my life would be full of fears and hope at the same time, 99% of which are blatantly made up by some blogger.

Secondly, the speed limit outside schools is 40km/hr with zero tolerance. But this is in effect only during school (drop off?) hours. Going past school buses that have stopped however, this would be 20.

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#1541926 26-Apr-2016 07:19

joker97:
littleheaven:

I found a document at FYI.org which states, rather ambiguously:

Speed limits are enforced on a risk targeted basis, between 0730 and 1800 hours on any school day or any other time there is a school activity or event. This may include sports activities and drama nights.

As part of the ‘Speed Kills Kids’ programme, any driver who is detected within a school zone, at a speed of more than 4 km/h above the speed limit, must be issued with an offence notice.

The highlighting has been added by me. So which is it - enforced only 7:30-18:00 on school days, or permanently? Does anyone know? I guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks, either way.

Firstly, I wouldn't believe everything I read on the internet. If I did, my life would be full of fears and hope at the same time, 99% of which are blatantly made up by some blogger.

Secondly, the speed limit outside schools is 40km/hr with zero tolerance. But this is in effect only during school (drop off?) hours. Going past school buses that have stopped however, this would be 20.

99%? You made that up, didn't you! ;)

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#1541928 26-Apr-2016 07:22

JayADee:
joker97:

littleheaven:

I found a document at FYI.org which states, rather ambiguously:

Speed limits are enforced on a risk targeted basis, between 0730 and 1800 hours on any school day or any other time there is a school activity or event. This may include sports activities and drama nights.

As part of the ‘Speed Kills Kids’ programme, any driver who is detected within a school zone, at a speed of more than 4 km/h above the speed limit, must be issued with an offence notice.

The highlighting has been added by me. So which is it - enforced only 7:30-18:00 on school days, or permanently? Does anyone know? I guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks, either way.

Firstly, I wouldn't believe everything I read on the internet. If I did, my life would be full of fears and hope at the same time, 99% of which are blatantly made up by some blogger.

Secondly, the speed limit outside schools is 40km/hr with zero tolerance. But this is in effect only during school (drop off?) hours. Going past school buses that have stopped however, this would be 20.

99%? You made that up, didn't you! ;)

Of course.

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#1541929 26-Apr-2016 07:22

AniNgawhetuPeri: Hi there, i was under the impression that the new 4km over the speed limit rule, covers all public and school holidays?

Nope

there are only a few official public holidays/periods that it applies on

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#1541932 26-Apr-2016 07:29

joker97:

Firstly, I wouldn't believe everything I read on the internet. If I did, my life would be full of fears and hope at the same time, 99% of which are blatantly made up by some blogger.

Secondly, the speed limit outside schools is 40km/hr with zero tolerance. But this is in effect only during school (drop off?) hours. Going past school buses that have stopped however, this would be 20.

The chance of that being made up is about zero percent. FYI.org.nz, in case you weren't aware, is an online repository of OIA requests and responses. You can submit an OIA request using a simple online form using that site and they will sit in the middle and aggregate the responses, make them available to the wider public, and keep you updated on when an agency is ... skirting the rules. Which means that statement was made by New Zealand Police in response to an actual OIA request, and it would be illegal for them to make a false statement in response. Just as you cannot lie to an officer, they cannot lie to an OIA request.

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#1541934 26-Apr-2016 07:44

Kyanar:

joker97:

Firstly, I wouldn't believe everything I read on the internet. If I did, my life would be full of fears and hope at the same time, 99% of which are blatantly made up by some blogger.

Secondly, the speed limit outside schools is 40km/hr with zero tolerance. But this is in effect only during school (drop off?) hours. Going past school buses that have stopped however, this would be 20.

The chance of that being made up is about zero percent. FYI.org.nz, in case you weren't aware, is an online repository of OIA requests and responses. You can submit an OIA request using a simple online form using that site and they will sit in the middle and aggregate the responses, make them available to the wider public, and keep you updated on when an agency is ... skirting the rules. Which means that statement was made by New Zealand Police in response to an actual OIA request, and it would be illegal for them to make a false statement in response. Just as you cannot lie to an officer, they cannot lie to an OIA request.

Ah I went to fyi.org (as posted) instead of fyi.org.nz

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