Plans to charge for park-n-ride Wellington

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#2679594 24-Mar-2021 08:14

mrdrifter:

Directly related to the park-n-ride, if this was to be charged for it will push significant numbers of vehicles into the surrounding residential and CBD streets, causing more issues (see. Wellington Airport parking issues around Miramar)

The Wellington airport parking changes were a positive IMHO. It's fantastic now being able get a park so easily in the street nearby for a day trip. 😀

But yes nearby streets will simply become the battleground at stations such as Waterloo where this is easily achievable. It's not going to be possible everywhere, which then creates the possible issue of people driving to other stations where free parking is possible.

I know a number of people who park at Petone who live nowhere near there. They're happy to drive from other parts of the Hutt to park there because they can then catch express trains.

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#2679611 24-Mar-2021 08:51

sbiddle:

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I know a number of people who park at Petone who live nowhere near there. They're happy to drive from other parts of the Hutt to park there because they can then catch express trains.

Paremata station fills up quickly in the mornings. It's zone 5, whereas the bus to Whitby or train to Mana takes you into zone 6 at an extra $42 a month, so plenty of folks from those areas drive (justifiably) to Paremata station.

I guess in this case charging for Park'nRide could have the desired decongestion effect for GWRC but the net result is people will be out of pocket.

(Congestion-wise it could be just as effective if Mana and Whitby were to be zone 5 in my view, but that would take money from GWRC so 'in my dreams'.)

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#2679618 24-Mar-2021 09:23

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sbiddle:

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I know a number of people who park at Petone who live nowhere near there. They're happy to drive from other parts of the Hutt to park there because they can then catch express trains.

Paremata station fills up quickly in the mornings. It's zone 5, whereas the bus to Whitby or train to Mana takes you into zone 6 at an extra $42 a month, so plenty of folks from those areas drive (justifiably) to Paremata station.

I guess in this case charging for Park'nRide could have the desired decongestion effect for GWRC but the net result is people will be out of pocket.

(Congestion-wise it could be just as effective if Mana and Whitby were to be zone 5 in my view, but that would take money from GWRC so 'in my dreams'.)

And that then goes back to the issue that I mentioned earlier - GWRC face revenue loss once they eventually have integrated ticketing because many people within the same zones (Upper Hutt, many parts of Lower Hutt and Porirua as classic examples) can catch a bus and then a train and the bus fare will be free because it's within the same zone.

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#2679620 24-Mar-2021 09:26

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Force those in charge to use buses and trains DAILY , then watch their attitudes change .

I have long been of the opinion that everyone in Auckland Transport should be using public transport to get into their office. Its not even in an awkward position for them (old Vodafone building on Fanshawe Street).

Last internal survey suggested that 80% of us already walk, cycle or PT to the office. The office is great for those on the shore but crap for those out west; 15/20 minute walk to the office from Elliot or Britomart...

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#2679661 24-Mar-2021 11:04

For those that have an interest in this please respond to the consultation request and let them know. My view is that they first need to build lots more park and ride, before they even consider charging for it, it would be good to park and ride any time after 6:30am, I don't do that early.

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#2679758 24-Mar-2021 12:22

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For those that have an interest in this please respond to the consultation request and let them know. My view is that they first need to build lots more park and ride, before they even consider charging for it,

The whole point of the proposal is that the PnR costs mega bucks per park to build in the first place. The idea is not to invest large amounts of money in something that benefits relatively few users.

I'm not sure how they'll provide all the extra/new feeder services to get people to the stations - maybe this is where the money from the PnR charges will go to.

It would seem to me there's expansion options for the train network especially in Kapiti and Lower Hutt.

Why is there no Raumati station?

Why does the Melling line stop at Melling ? It looks like the line could be extended further along the western side of the valley.

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#2680031 24-Mar-2021 21:32

elpenguino:

Why does the Melling line stop at Melling ? It looks like the line could be extended further along the western side of the valley.

Well if you go back a few decades - pre 1954 to be exact, it was the main line to the Wairarapa, but became a branch line only when the deviation via Taita was opened.

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#2684060 30-Mar-2021 13:52

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Not really in this case. The regional council in case manages public transport on behalf of the city councils in the region

It was the same in the former Auckland region, with ARTA under the ARC responsible for transport coordination. Still didn't work, especially as the transit authority had no power over the actual roads, intersection configurations, couldn't even create their own bus lanes - so councils still step on their toes on a daily basis.

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#2684072 30-Mar-2021 14:18

elpenguino:

Why is there no Raumati station?

Because there is a tiny catchment that might use it, with little potential for significant growth.... (all the vacant land opposite the expressway is regional park)

- and now that the expressway has taken all the through traffic away, its pretty quick and easy to get to Paraparaumu station...

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#2684087 30-Mar-2021 15:02

wellygary:

elpenguino:

Why is there no Raumati station?

Because there is a tiny catchment that might use it, with little potential for significant growth.... (all the vacant land opposite the expressway is regional park)

- and now that the expressway has taken all the through traffic away, its pretty quick and easy to get to Paraparaumu station...

Why drive from Raumati to PPM to catch a train that goes past your neighbourhood a few moments later? On that logic we could scrap PPM station and ask everyone to drive to Waikanae.

If you're talking about tiny catchments, it doesn't seem to be a problem for tiny Pukerua bay which is served by TWO stations.

Ideally the tracks would go much closer to the suburbs they're supposed to serve so no one needs to drive anywhere.

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#2684089 30-Mar-2021 15:04

Lets not charge park and ride customers but am all for Ticketing people who "park and work"

Many times I see people park at Porirua station, walk through the underpass and go to work in Porirua - this parking space is for comminutors

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#2684090 30-Mar-2021 15:05

elpenguino:

If you're talking about tiny catchments, it doesn't seem to be a problem for tiny Pukerua bay which is served by TWO stations.

Muri Station closed in 2011.... there is only one stop in Pukerua bay,

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#2691313 12-Apr-2021 11:28

sbiddle:

mrdrifter:

Directly related to the park-n-ride, if this was to be charged for it will push significant numbers of vehicles into the surrounding residential and CBD streets, causing more issues (see. Wellington Airport parking issues around Miramar)

The Wellington airport parking changes were a positive IMHO. It's fantastic now being able get a park so easily in the street nearby for a day trip. 😀

But yes nearby streets will simply become the battleground at stations such as Waterloo where this is easily achievable. It's not going to be possible everywhere, which then creates the possible issue of people driving to other stations where free parking is possible.

I know a number of people who park at Petone who live nowhere near there. They're happy to drive from other parts of the Hutt to park there because they can then catch express trains.

I echo those comments. Went up to Auckland for a day trip on Saturday. Was planning to pay $33 for a day park in the airport but was convinced to chance street parking. Got to the airport at 8am and found tons of street parking including one right opposite BK. So that was a great deal. Not sure if the ample parking was due to 24 hour restrictions, weekend parking or Covid but who cares.

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#2691368 12-Apr-2021 12:28

elpenguino:

Why drive from Raumati to PPM to catch a train that goes past your neighbourhood a few moments later? On that logic we could scrap PPM station and ask everyone to drive to Waikanae.

If you're talking about tiny catchments, it doesn't seem to be a problem for tiny Pukerua bay which is served by TWO stations.

Ideally the tracks would go much closer to the suburbs they're supposed to serve so no one needs to drive anywhere.

If put an imaginary station somewhere between Raumati Road and Poplar Ave, and draw a 1km radius circle around it, you'll find that something like 75% of the circle is uninhabited, which drastically reduces the potential catchment of people who could walk/bike to the station. Most other stations have a more balanced circle of population surrounding them. Raumati station would end needing a relatively high number of PnR spaces per passenger, so becomes pretty expensive to build - compare that to Paraparaumu station where it's something like 3 boardings per 1 park n ride space. You could make a feeder bus service, but it would be solely serving train commuters so again relatively expensive - compared to bus services running to Paraparaumu station which serve many other trips (e.g. going to the shops).

Add to that, by adding in the station you might add (say) 2 minutes delay (train slows down, stops, waits for people to board, accelerates) which reduces the capacity of your network by a fraction - even though it may not increase patronage (as existing Raumati train commuters just switch from Paraparaumu to Raumati Stations). GWRC may need to buy/run additional units or carriages to offset this loss of capacity. So it may increase the cost of the PT network without meaningfully increasing revenue. Against that backdrop, spending on more free (or paid) PnR spaces at Paraparaumu may be a better option, and might help justify more frequent services instead, which benefits passengers from every station along the line.

My house would be within an easy walk of a Raumati station, so it would benefit me hugely, but I can see why it's not going to happen.

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#2691452 12-Apr-2021 14:35

nztim:

Lets not charge park and ride customers but am all for Ticketing people who "park and work"

Many times I see people park at Porirua station, walk through the underpass and go to work in Porirua - this parking space is for comminutors

This also happens at the Auckland Busway Park n Rides - they're situated near large work environments/industrial parks, so they get a fair number of park and works...

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