Reminder - Christmas 4km/h Speed tolerance now in force

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#1922258 20-Dec-2017 06:04

hio77:

the lack of advertising of this seems a little on the nose.

Thanks for the reminder!

Please advise why they have to advertise sticking to the law?

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#1922259 20-Dec-2017 06:13

wratterus:

I'm still sure this makes no difference whatsoever to the road toll, in fact I'd go so far as to say it makes things more dangerous, as people spend twice the time speedometer watching instead of watching the road.

Drivers going 5 - 10 km/h over the limit aren't the problem, and never have been. This is an easy money maker, and an easy 'out' for the police to say they're actually doing something about the rather high road toll, when what we need for a start is better initial education, mandatory defensive driving courses, and probably more regular re-testing.

This is a tired argument used by bad drivers incapable of adult behaviour on the road, it doesn't wash.

Change the record, and at the same time your bad attitude to driving that will go a long way to dropping the road toll.

Does anyone else see the irony with the post stating that it is dangerous to be checking the speed all the time, then stating that they dislike drivers who are unable to travel a constant speed?

It gave me a giggle.

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#1922261 20-Dec-2017 07:02

dickytim:

wratterus:

I'm still sure this makes no difference whatsoever to the road toll, in fact I'd go so far as to say it makes things more dangerous, as people spend twice the time speedometer watching instead of watching the road.

Drivers going 5 - 10 km/h over the limit aren't the problem, and never have been. This is an easy money maker, and an easy 'out' for the police to say they're actually doing something about the rather high road toll, when what we need for a start is better initial education, mandatory defensive driving courses, and probably more regular re-testing.

This is a tired argument used by bad drivers incapable of adult behaviour on the road, it doesn't wash.

Please explain *why* "this is a tired argument ... [that] doesn't wash" is anything but an unsubstantiated opinion.

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#1922265 20-Dec-2017 07:13

Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1922278 20-Dec-2017 07:37

frankv:

dickytim:

wratterus:

I'm still sure this makes no difference whatsoever to the road toll, in fact I'd go so far as to say it makes things more dangerous, as people spend twice the time speedometer watching instead of watching the road.

Drivers going 5 - 10 km/h over the limit aren't the problem, and never have been. This is an easy money maker, and an easy 'out' for the police to say they're actually doing something about the rather high road toll, when what we need for a start is better initial education, mandatory defensive driving courses, and probably more regular re-testing.

This is a tired argument used by bad drivers incapable of adult behaviour on the road, it doesn't wash.

Please explain *why* "this is a tired argument ... [that] doesn't wash" is anything but an unsubstantiated opinion.

You're on an internet forum and you don't expect opinions?

What is your counter argument that the argument the original post is valid? lets not rely on anyone's opinion though.

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#1922283 20-Dec-2017 07:42

MikeB4: Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

The only thing that could be better is adaptive....for dealing with those that travel at 80 - 100...it annoys me when I'm sitting on 100 and there's a car speeding up and slowing down at really weird points - ie not corners. It's also surprising how many people slow right down on any sort of bend (ie not one with a advised speed).

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#1922289 20-Dec-2017 08:03

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I wonder if police cars are GPS tracked for speed. I was following one through Dome valley on Sunday at a constant 95 and in some spots he was up to 100 and i kept 50M behind him the whole time and speed matched him. No lights or sirens displayed, he didn't seem to care about me.
Nailed him in the overtaking lane too around the bend at the top heading south.

I wonder tho, if a corner has a posted speed of 45 and I come around it at 70-80 would they care?

if they have radar equipment they have their speedos regularly recalibrated as it impacts the radar.

the posted speed on corners is for a fully loaded truck, not for a light passenger vehicle + they are only advisories.

Sorry just spotted this, and had to respond to correct....

Advisory signs are an indication of the safe and comfortable cornering speed for the average passenger car in good conditions. While authorities use a ball bank gauge to measure it roughly equates to around 0.2 g's lateral force, well below the typical co-efficient of friction of a road surface of about 0.65 - 0.7, so plenty of leeway. Drop some rain on the road, a less than optimal road surface and that gap quickly starts to close up however.

Heavy truck are recommended to travel 10 km/h below any advisory speed posted to prevent rollovers. Hence the "10 below" campaigns around the country.

Can a cop prosecute you for exceeding the advisory speed like they do speed limits? No. But if they deem your speed or manner of cornering to be dangerous (or you have a crash) then the fact that you exceeded the advisory speed could be used in evidence to assist prove a careless or dangerous driving charge.

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#1922290 20-Dec-2017 08:04

davidcole:

MikeB4: Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

The only thing that could be better is adaptive....for dealing with those that travel at 80 - 100...it annoys me when I'm sitting on 100 and there's a car speeding up and slowing down at really weird points - ie not corners. It's also surprising how many people slow right down on any sort of bend (ie not one with a advised speed).

I saw a couple of times people braking while doing 80 - 90, on a long straight stretch of the road with nothing in front of them. And it wasn't like something jumped in front of them. They've done it multiple times, on a clear road. Needless to say the need to get away from this kind of people grows at every time you see those brake lights coming on.

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#1922293 20-Dec-2017 08:10

davidcole:

MikeB4: Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

The only thing that could be better is adaptive....for dealing with those that travel at 80 - 100...it annoys me when I'm sitting on 100 and there's a car speeding up and slowing down at really weird points - ie not corners. It's also surprising how many people slow right down on any sort of bend (ie not one with a advised speed).

I love the adaptive cruise we have on one of our work vehicles. They are not without their foibles however.

Everyone is entitled to drive within their capability, providing of course they allow others to pass where it is safe to do so. In the meantime a bit of patience and tolerance goes a long way, but this seems a rare beast these days. In the scheme of things it makes a bugger all difference to travel times, and I am past busting my gut to save 1-2 minutes. Chill out and enjoy the journey.

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#1922296 20-Dec-2017 08:16

jarledb:

What I find interesting is that in NZ it seems like all the speed cameras and other police equipment is supposed to be accurate enough that +4 km/h is actually reliably measurable.

Fun reading:

Questions raised over accuracy of speed cameras after driver doing 29mph was clocked reaching 85mph

Police.govt.nz claims:

"How accurate is the equipment used to enforce speed?

Transport law requires all speed detection equipment, including safety cameras, radars, lasers and vehicle speedometers to be checked (calibrated) and certified every year.

Any new camera is subject to a rigorous testing and approval process before being used."

Notice how they don't actually answer the question? No accurate to x km/h or a percentage. Just "We test our equipment".

In my past life in the job it was +/- 2 km/h for moving radar, but that was quite some time ago now and expect technology has come a long way since. Radar guns were < 1 km/h +/- from memory. It was always conservative anyway due to the Doppler Effect.

It never ceases to amaze me how drivers are concerned about 1 - 2 km/h. As if driving at 99 km/h is somehow a sin, but 100 km/h is ok. Weird.

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#1922349 20-Dec-2017 08:53

scuwp:

davidcole:

MikeB4: Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

The only thing that could be better is adaptive....for dealing with those that travel at 80 - 100...it annoys me when I'm sitting on 100 and there's a car speeding up and slowing down at really weird points - ie not corners. It's also surprising how many people slow right down on any sort of bend (ie not one with a advised speed).

I love the adaptive cruise we have on one of our work vehicles. They are not without their foibles however.

Everyone is entitled to drive within their capability, providing of course they allow others to pass where it is safe to do so. In the meantime a bit of patience and tolerance goes a long way, but this seems a rare beast these days. In the scheme of things it makes a bugger all difference to travel times, and I am past busting my gut to save 1-2 minutes. Chill out and enjoy the journey.

providing of course they allow others to pass where it is safe to do so

ha ha ha ha - you live in this country right? Allowing to pass. Mate, you're dreaming.

The corner thing bothers me less that someone who can't keep a consistent speed. What are they doing to fluctuate 10 - 20 km range, distracted, bad throttle control?

Personally i like clear road in front of me. I don't drive over the speed limit (anymore.... eek). But find I'll be really consistent so you'll quickly pull in someone who's up and down on the throttle...and because I like clear road for visibility prefer to be in front of them.

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#1922351 20-Dec-2017 08:57

davidcole: Personally i like clear road in front of me. I don't drive over the speed limit (anymore.... eek). But find I'll be really consistent so you'll quickly pull in someone who's up and down on the throttle...and because I like clear road for visibility prefer to be in front of them.

This... People don't understand why you want to pass but for me is about not being behind some muppet that will cause problems. Because if there's one thing I know is that if someone does something wrong on the road once, this person will do it again. And again. So better to be as far as possible from anyone on the road because I rather not be where they are.

Obviously it's impossible in some situations but as soon as possible I'm out of there and away.

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#1922352 20-Dec-2017 08:58

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davidcole: Personally i like clear road in front of me. I don't drive over the speed limit (anymore.... eek). But find I'll be really consistent so you'll quickly pull in someone who's up and down on the throttle...and because I like clear road for visibility prefer to be in front of them.

This... People don't understand why you want to pass but for me is about not being behind some muppet that will cause problems. Because if there's one thing I know is that if someone does something wrong on the road once, this person will do it again. And again. So better to be as far as possible from anyone on the road because I rather not be where they are.

Obviously it's impossible in some situations but as soon as possible I'm out of there and away.

And especially trucks, vans and Remuera Tractors.

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#1922388 20-Dec-2017 10:22

I drove a Nissan March (1.2L engine) from Auckland to Wellington yesterday. Found it quite amusing that people toddling along at around 90kmh clearly didn't like being overtaken by such a little car and would speed up dramatically for a sustained period of time in order to remain close behind. They invariably tended to fall away once curves came into the equation.

But a bit more on topic - there's been four deaths on the road already this holiday season. Let's stay safe out there.

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#1922397 20-Dec-2017 10:35

davidcole:

scuwp:

davidcole:

MikeB4: Set the cuise control and get on with life😊

The only thing that could be better is adaptive....for dealing with those that travel at 80 - 100...it annoys me when I'm sitting on 100 and there's a car speeding up and slowing down at really weird points - ie not corners. It's also surprising how many people slow right down on any sort of bend (ie not one with a advised speed).

I love the adaptive cruise we have on one of our work vehicles. They are not without their foibles however.

Everyone is entitled to drive within their capability, providing of course they allow others to pass where it is safe to do so. In the meantime a bit of patience and tolerance goes a long way, but this seems a rare beast these days. In the scheme of things it makes a bugger all difference to travel times, and I am past busting my gut to save 1-2 minutes. Chill out and enjoy the journey.

providing of course they allow others to pass where it is safe to do so

ha ha ha ha - you live in this country right? Allowing to pass. Mate, you're dreaming.

The corner thing bothers me less that someone who can't keep a consistent speed. What are they doing to fluctuate 10 - 20 km range, distracted, bad throttle control?

Personally i like clear road in front of me. I don't drive over the speed limit (anymore.... eek). But find I'll be really consistent so you'll quickly pull in someone who's up and down on the throttle...and because I like clear road for visibility prefer to be in front of them.

Braky-stabby drivers are a real problem for me. My wife does this so basically I *never* ride as passenger with her driving open road. If they follow traffic too close it magnifies the problem. I try to stay back a bit so as they constantly speed up and slow down it doesn't force me to do the same and I get from Auckland to Whangamata with engine braking and hardly a touch of the brake pedal despite the twisty mountain range crossing.

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