Multilane Roundabout, who gives way?

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Uber Geek

#2666073 1-Mar-2021 11:07

Its not an intersection .

The red arrow car is CHANGING LANES ,to go left, across the white lane markers .
The green doesnt have to give way to someone coming across lanes to make a turn.

But, ideally, the green will be nice & let them through

You could also add comments about indicating 3 seconds before turning, leaving a safe distance between cars (2 sec 'rule') etc etc
For that roundabout to work in peak traffic, ALL drivers need to make compromises & let others cars in even if they dont have to

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#2666114 1-Mar-2021 11:43

1101:

Its not an intersection .

The red arrow car is CHANGING LANES ,to go left, across the white lane markers .
The green doesnt have to give way to someone coming across lanes to make a turn.

no, just no

they are following their lane through the roundabout as the arrows before the roundabout say they can.

The markings on the roundabout are incorrect, but they are there to keep the people from truman road in the separate lanes

Graymond

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Master Geek

#2666234 1-Mar-2021 13:36

The 29A exit should be marked the same as Truman road exit.

decibel

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Ultimate Geek

#2666239 1-Mar-2021 13:46

Jase2985:

1101:

Its not an intersection .

The red arrow car is CHANGING LANES ,to go left, across the white lane markers .
The green doesnt have to give way to someone coming across lanes to make a turn.

no, just no

they are following their lane through the roundabout as the arrows before the roundabout say they can.

The markings on the roundabout are incorrect, but they are there to keep the people from truman road in the separate lanes

But if the red arrow car had been in the left lane when they entered the roundabout, there would been no question of lane-changing.

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#2666249 1-Mar-2021 14:09

decibel:

But if the red arrow car had been in the left lane when they entered the roundabout, there would been no question of lane-changing.

but it doesn't have to as both lanes go in the direction they want to go.

decibel

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Ultimate Geek

#2666254 1-Mar-2021 14:19

Jase2985:

decibel:

But if the red arrow car had been in the left lane when they entered the roundabout, there would been no question of lane-changing.

but it doesn't have to as both lanes go in the direction they want to go.

That is why you are correct about wrong lane markings.

Hopefully locals will have it all worked out - now you just have to wait for the NZTA to get their butts into gear.

If that is anything like we have been waiting in the Wairarapa, then don't hold your breath.

Inphinity

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Uber Geek

#2666261 1-Mar-2021 14:22

1101:

Its not an intersection .

The red arrow car is CHANGING LANES ,to go left, across the white lane markers .
The green doesnt have to give way to someone coming across lanes to make a turn.

1) Those are not red's lane markings, so red is not changing lanes

2) Green is also crossing lane markings (again, not their markings)

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#2666368 1-Mar-2021 17:51

Even if the road markings are bad or wrong a licensed driver should know what rules apply. Sometimes you come across situations that are a bit unexpected sand you always need to automatically know what to do.

Sitting at an intersection with a driver looking back at you for intuition of what they should do is quite the grinder.

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#2666744 2-Mar-2021 11:55

From drive.govt.nz:

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#2666755 2-Mar-2021 12:29

mclean:

From drive.govt.nz:

but the red car doesnt need to change lanes. its already in the correct lane to exit the roundabout.

evnafets

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#2666795 2-Mar-2021 14:56

And there is exactly the issue that this thread/discussion discussed early on.
The red path car is perfectly in his rights to take this path according to lane markings.
The green car also has a valid path according to lane markings.
And yet - those lanes 'cross'

The yellow line I hope we can all agree is NOT a valid path, even if people apparently DO take it.

There IS a (good?) reason for the lanes to be like this. The good old kiwi practicality vs try and protect idiots. In this case it appears pragmatism has won, and drivers need to be aware.

The lane markings as they are have the potential to cause mayhem on the paths initially identified.
So who gives way to whom?

My 'answer' here is that green should not even enter the roundabout until the 'red' line is clear. Even if the 'green' lane is empty. Because they need to cross that red traffic path, they need to give way to it BEFORE they enter the roundabout - and not enter, until they can safely navigate around the whole way. I believe that to be consistent with most of the rules / links posted in this discussion.

1101

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Uber Geek

#2666819 2-Mar-2021 16:06

Inphinity:

1) Those are not red's lane markings, so red is not changing lanes

2) Green is also crossing lane markings (again, not their markings)

red is crossing across another lane , so he needs to give way to anything in that lane
red crosses over the obvious lane markings AROUND the roundabout .

red is also turning left across traffic (so should give way) , green is simply staying in the roundabout,
green staying in his roundabout lane , red is driving across the roundabout lanes

1101

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Uber Geek

#2666824 2-Mar-2021 16:13

Actually red should have been in the left lane to start with, despite the markings

that roundabout is just a road rage incident waiting to happen :-)

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Uber Geek

#2666833 2-Mar-2021 16:32

That info from drive.govt.nz conflicts with the road code advice (giveway to cars coming from right). Should 'lane change' or 'roundabout' laws apply?

I'm getting more confused, initially my belief was to giveway to cars in the inner lane (ie, giveway to the right).

I lived in a european country, with lots of roundabouts, and the law was very specific, the inner lane has the right of way on roundabouts. It was easy because the rule was clear.

allio

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Ultimate Geek

#2666840 2-Mar-2021 16:49

evnafets:

My 'answer' here is that green should not even enter the roundabout until the 'red' line is clear. Even if the 'green' lane is empty. Because they need to cross that red traffic path, they need to give way to it BEFORE they enter the roundabout - and not enter, until they can safely navigate around the whole way. I believe that to be consistent with most of the rules / links posted in this discussion.

This is probably correct. The issue is that, for green to avoid pointless waiting, cars entering at red will need to be indicating correctly. And in NZ there is probably no lower chance of anything happening ever.

It's a terribly designed roundabout where two fundamental rules of the road end up in direct conflict - traffic changing lanes gives way to traffic staying within its lane vs give way to traffic on your right. I can easily see how you would end up in trouble. I'm glad I don't need to drive on it!

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