General consensus at traffic lights vs pedestrians

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#1776583 5-May-2017 20:26

I always thought it was 30m from a crossing? Screw walking another 100-200m just to cross a road.

Also had some old coot try to tell me off once for not using a crossing when I was going to my car which was on the road. Never crossed the road. STFU old git.

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#1776622 5-May-2017 20:46

Athlonite:

Actually the law states that if you are withing 100 meters of a pedestrian crossing and you choose to not use it not only are you J walking but if you get run down by a motorist it's your fault automatically for failing to use the provided crossing but only within 100 meters of a crossing no further so 105 meters drivers at fault inside 100 meters pedestrians at fault

Actually, it doesn't.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/...

11.3 Using crossings, underpasses, or footbridges

(1)

A pedestrian or rider of a mobility device must not cross a roadway otherwise than on a pedestrian crossing or at a school crossing point, at an underpass, or on a footbridge when a pedestrian crossing or school crossing point, an underpass, or a footbridge is reasonably available to the pedestrian for that purpose within a distance of 20 m.

(2)

If pedestrian traffic on any part of any roadway is controlled by traffic signals, a pedestrian must not cross any other part of that roadway that is within 20 m of the part controlled by traffic signals.

(3)

This clause is subject to clause 11.4.

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#1776624 5-May-2017 20:48

richms:

I always thought it was 30m from a crossing? Screw walking another 100-200m just to cross a road.

Also had some old coot try to tell me off once for not using a crossing when I was going to my car which was on the road. Never crossed the road. STFU old git.

what has age got to do with it?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1776626 5-May-2017 20:50

MikeB4:

richms:

I always thought it was 30m from a crossing? Screw walking another 100-200m just to cross a road.

Also had some old coot try to tell me off once for not using a crossing when I was going to my car which was on the road. Never crossed the road. STFU old git.

what has age got to do with it?

They were old. That's what its got to do with it.

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#1776627 5-May-2017 20:54

joker97:
Oblivian:

We going wayyy off track now.

But that necessity again comes back to only existing as people NOT doing what they are meant to (blocking intersections, running yellows/reds, Walking across pedestrians when their time has been and its now the time of the car flow, following too close or letting controlled side traffic in abruptly causing a constintina effect for 3Kms back)

It's impatience and bullet proof steel box vs using brain

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFd03gzcVROx9osaQYNPm_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RPkC9hoMfE

This thread has gone wayyyy off track yes.

My question was - do cars cross before the pedestrians get near, not whether people run them over!

No, they don't, ie; cars not allowed. But I've seen it happen. It's not a good situation where a vehicle a green while there are pedestrians already allowed on the crossing.

The situation for pedestrians is inconsistent also. Some places cars will get green and some places will not until pedestrian phase is complete. The _actual_ practice for a long time is cars wait while pedestrians cross. The fact it has become an issue shows increased traffic density and increased pedestrian density.

Agree with the roadcode finding that pedestrians "must not" start crossing in the ped red flashing phase. I'd like to see that phase replaced by a simple countdown and pedestrians can use own judgement. With a red light for traffic.

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#1776662 5-May-2017 21:58

kharris:

Forget turning, it's got so bad now on some Wellington intersections that drivers going straight through a green light have to break and wait for idiots that don't care just crossing in front of them. It's even worse with the hordes heading to the train station, some peoples sense of entitlement just amazes me. Then we have all the taxis and buses running red lights without caring. Stop on an intersection one day and watch.

You may forget turning, but other drivers who want to turn hold up traffic.

There is an intersection in Dunedin CBD - St Andrews St/George St. Called this out because it's very busy with pedestrians. Unfortunately the road has 2 lanes: turn left/straight; turn right/straight. If the first cars each wants to turn left and turn right, nobody goes anywhere because of the green men on both sides. That's kinda right outside the city council office! (nearly) - you'd think they'd fix this by now ... but no. Just got to remember not to go there when it's busy ...

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#1776695 6-May-2017 00:32

joker97:
This thread has gone wayyyy off track yes.

My question was - do cars cross before the pedestrians get near, not whether people run them over!

Short answer: yes

Long answer: It's really no different to giving way to oncoming traffic when turning right. You wait until there's an appropriate gap then turn. Sometimes you will turn in front of an approaching vehicle, other times you'll wait till its passed and turn behind it . Treat pedestrians the same way you'd treat other drivers. If im able to complete the manoeuvre without impeding the pedestrians progress then I'll turn. If I impede the pedestrian in anyway then I have failed to give way. If im unsure I'll wait

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#1776707 6-May-2017 07:23

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Athlonite:

Actually the law states that if you are withing 100 meters of a pedestrian crossing and you choose to not use it not only are you J walking but if you get run down by a motorist it's your fault automatically for failing to use the provided crossing but only within 100 meters of a crossing no further so 105 meters drivers at fault inside 100 meters pedestrians at fault

Actually, it doesn't.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/...

11.3 Using crossings, underpasses, or footbridges

(1)

A pedestrian or rider of a mobility device must not cross a roadway otherwise than on a pedestrian crossing or at a school crossing point, at an underpass, or on a footbridge when a pedestrian crossing or school crossing point, an underpass, or a footbridge is reasonably available to the pedestrian for that purpose within a distance of 20 m.

(2)

If pedestrian traffic on any part of any roadway is controlled by traffic signals, a pedestrian must not cross any other part of that roadway that is within 20 m of the part controlled by traffic signals.

(3)

This clause is subject to clause 11.4.

Well just goes to show how much cops know about the law then doesn't it because that's where I got the 100 meters from out of the mouth of a cop

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#1776764 6-May-2017 09:17

maybe he mis-said or you misheard 100 ft

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#1776787 6-May-2017 10:03

Wow, I am so surprised and equally concerned at the number here who don't appear to know the basic road rules. I assume most here are drivers and you studied the road code..right?

OP's question was asked and answered back on page 1. And none of these rules being discussed have changed since the early 1990's.

Attitude can't be regulated but some drivers need to have a serious look in the mirror at themselves, I include myself in that camp on the odd occasion, normally when someone else has done something stupid but I could have taken a breath and reacted better.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#1776798 6-May-2017 10:38

What about we go with this rule "Cars are heavier and can kill, therefore I won't run over pedestrians"?

I am sure this would be beneficial.

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#1776819 6-May-2017 11:30

scuwp:

Wow, I am so surprised and equally concerned at the number here who don't appear to know the basic road rules. I assume most here are drivers and you studied the road code..right?

OP's question was asked and answered back on page 1. And none of these rules being discussed have changed since the early 1990's.

Attitude can't be regulated but some drivers need to have a serious look in the mirror at themselves, I include myself in that camp on the odd occasion, normally when someone else has done something stupid but I could have taken a breath and reacted better.

I went back to page one and it wasn't answered whether a car can go or cannot go. Let me read on further ... not any other pages either (at least I don't think anyone linked any laws that says you cannot).

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#1776820 6-May-2017 11:33

Hamlet unicorn: Treat pedestrians the same way you'd treat other drivers. If im able to complete the manoeuvre without impeding the pedestrians progress then I'll turn. If I impede the pedestrian in anyway then I have failed to give way.

Maybe. In many circumstances this is a ticket for dangerous driving. I'd prefer the average driver did not do this. Comes back to becoming a problem with increased traffic and pedestrian density.

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#1776826 6-May-2017 11:56

freitasm:

What about we go with this rule "Cars are heavier and can kill, therefore I won't run over pedestrians"?

I am sure this would be beneficial.

I prefer "Cars are heavier and can kill, therefore I won't be so careless by stepping out in front of them assuming they've seen me".

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#1776827 6-May-2017 12:00

That is just a silly argument. I don't want to be responsible for anyone's death, regardless of circumstances.

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