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  #2666848 2-Mar-2021 17:11
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1101:

 

Inphinity:

 

1) Those are not red's lane markings, so red is not changing lanes

 

2) Green is also crossing lane markings (again, not their markings)

 

 

red is crossing across another lane , so he needs to give way to anything in that lane
red crosses over the obvious lane markings AROUND the roundabout .

 

red is also turning left across traffic (so should give way) , green is simply staying in the roundabout,
green staying in his roundabout lane , red is driving across the roundabout lanes

 

 

again, just stop, this is stupid advice. the markings on the roundabout are incorrect. and your ignoring the fact that green has to give way before entering the roundabout.

 

they have to exit the roundabout which means they follow the dotted lines off the roundabout. not the lines going around the roundabout. they are not changing lanes, if they were changing lanes they would continue around the roundabout but in the left land lane, they are crossing a lane.

 

Green should never ever be in a position where red has to give way to them, if they are they haven't followed the road rules about giving way to your right at a roundabout before entering.

 

 




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  #2666967 2-Mar-2021 21:22
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mclean:

 

From drive.govt.nz:

 

 

Similarly to the Road Code, what you've posted is not law.

 

 

 

This however, is law:

 





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  #2671771 11-Mar-2021 16:36
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but there are roundabouts exactly like this in Lower Hutt, where Queens Drive and High Street meet at Riddiford Gardens

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@-41.2119727,174.8998743,56m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Generally, cars going around the outside expecting to pull off the roundabout go around the outside lane.

 

The Green car should give way to the Red Car until it has gone passed them on the roundabout to their exit.

 

The Red car is in the wrong lane, it should be using the outer lane. The road markings for that roundabout are just terrible in every way.

 

The problem with roundabouts like these is the vehicles travelling straight (top of the original picture) will nearly always fail to give way to the Green vehicle coming from the right, and then block up *both* lanes to the top exit point.

 

So the Green car then has to jump into the roundabout to ensure they can actually move anywhere.

 

 

 

New Zealand sucks and designing, marking, and using roundabouts.




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  #2671792 11-Mar-2021 16:47
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I haven't read the entire five pages. But I think this  pretty simple. The red car went into the roundabout in the wrong lane, so either had to turn left or go straight on.

 

If turning right, they had to be in the right lane, as per the right arrow at the beginning of the intersection. So they were int eh wrong lane. If they had been in the correct lane, then there wouldn't be in an issue, and would never be crossed by the green car.

 

 

 

I am used to bad roundabouts, and very used to the terrible roading situation in Lower Hutt which is full of these tiny roadabouts which even buses struggle to turn in. 

 

 


  #2671809 11-Mar-2021 17:11
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@mattwnz @Ardrigh it shows you haven't read the thread and more specifically the post before yours which has the legislation in it. Which shows both your comments/opinions to be wrong. While the roundabout might be of a stupid design, the red car can go straight though (right) from either lane because the lane marking says they can.

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  #2671851 11-Mar-2021 18:19
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Jase2985: @mattwnz @Ardrigh it shows you haven't read the thread and more specifically the post before yours which has the legislation in it. Which shows both your comments/opinions to be wrong. While the roundabout might be of a stupid design, the red car can go straight though (right) from either lane because the lane marking says they can.

 

 

 

Isn't one of the things in the road code that people must use the correct lanes as marked with arrows (eg 4.6 (4))? The same thing could also apply to traffic lights and not using the lanes as per the arrows, which then causes these same types of problems. The arrows are there for a reason. The problem wouldn't have occurred if they were in the correct lane as marked by the arrow, before entering the roundabout. eg They would already be in the right lane of the round about when they enter it, so wouldn't need to giveaway to the car turning off  to the left.

 

But yes , the giveway rules would also apply if someone was in a roundabout about in the wrong lane, and then had to change lanes, or changed their mind inside the round about. But that shouldn't be needed if people enter the round about in the correct  lane to begin with. But due to congestion and not seeing the lane markings before entering the round about,and these round about probably not being designed to cope with this load of traffic, this may not be possible. I am not sure it is a stupid design, just that it relies on people following the arrows before entering the round about, which may not always be possible depending on conditions.


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  #2671856 11-Mar-2021 18:32
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Jase2985:

 

driller2000:

 

100%

 

BOTH red and Green entered in the wrong entry lane - and had they both used the other entry lane instead, there would have been absolutely no issue or doubt for either of them.

 

 

but the lane arrow marking say you can so they haven't entered in the wrong lane at all.

 

 

 

 

I don't care what the arrows say they could do.

 

If they want to enter and exit safely and transparently for all other road users they should have used the other entry lane.


 
 
 

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  #2671860 11-Mar-2021 18:45
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driller2000:

 

I don't care what the arrows say they CAN do.

 

If they want to enter and exit safely and transparently for all other road users they should have used the other entry lane.

 

 

fixed that for you


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  #2671863 11-Mar-2021 19:01
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Waikato Police posted to FB a few days ago about a Hamilton roundabout. Both lanes have a straight through arrow, with a left arrow in the left lane and a right arrow in the right lane. The debate was interesting, and the number of people who had zero idea how to actually drive around a roundabout or how to indicate properly was huge.

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/WaikatoPolice/posts/2816765415212137

 

 

 

 


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  #2671878 11-Mar-2021 19:34
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The Waikato Police states:

 

"***ANSWER***
The right answer is: the right lane. With a roundabout like this one, if you want to exit it at either one of the first two exits you enter the roundabout in the left lane. If you want to exit at either of the last two exits you enter the roundabout in the right lane. Remember to indicate clearly so that other people know what your intentions are. If you are unsure, always follow the guidelines provided by the road signage and markings."

 

 

 

Still the markings look like this:

 

 

I have gone through that roundabout quite a few times and have always choose the left lane. Made sense to me, and the markings show that you could take either left or right lane to go straight in this roundabout.

 

It is not super clear that it has as many exits as it does, or any clear markings that would make it obvious you are supposed to choose the right lane here IMHO.





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  #2672056 12-Mar-2021 01:28
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jarledb:

 

The Waikato Police states:

 

"***ANSWER***
The right answer is: the right lane. With a roundabout like this one, if you want to exit it at either one of the first two exits you enter the roundabout in the left lane. If you want to exit at either of the last two exits you enter the roundabout in the right lane. Remember to indicate clearly so that other people know what your intentions are. If you are unsure, always follow the guidelines provided by the road signage and markings."

 

 

 

Still the markings look like this:

 

 

I have gone through that roundabout quite a few times and have always choose the left lane. Made sense to me, and the markings show that you could take either left or right lane to go straight in this roundabout.

 

It is not super clear that it has as many exits as it does, or any clear markings that would make it obvious you are supposed to choose the right lane here IMHO.

 

 

 

 

It would be the right lane, because you are traveling more than half way around the round about. I understand you also have to signal right around the round about for this reason, until you get to the next exit before you exit, and then signal left to exit the roundabout.

 

 

 

However the viability on that round about is poor, as they have plantings in it. I am surprised that is permitted. So you can't see the other side in some places.


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  #2672057 12-Mar-2021 01:38
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driller2000:

 

100%

 

BOTH red and Green entered in the wrong entry lane - and had they both used the other entry lane instead, there would have been absolutely no issue or doubt for either of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the red car is in the correct lane, as both lanes have a right arrow on them.The green car however doesn't appear to have entered in the correct lane.   But with my days driving around one of previous largest roundabouts in the world, the basin reserve, it is common to change lane when in the roundabout.


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  #2672059 12-Mar-2021 03:00
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mattwnz:

 

It would be the right lane, because you are traveling more than half way around the round about. I understand you also have to signal right around the round about for this reason, until you get to the next exit before you exit, and then signal left to exit the roundabout.

 

 

While I am sure that is technically correct, I have a couple of issues with it.

 

1) It is not obvious when entering the roundabout that it is setup like that. There is no way to have get a good look at the exits when you entering (as you have stated as well).

 

2) To me the drive through that roundabout is "straight ahead". Just look at the full overview photo of the roundabout. To me it is counter intuitive that the straight ahead is not straight ahead.

 

Given how this is being interpreted. This is the "actual" directions in that roundabout (as I understand it now).

 

 

To me it makes more sense that exit 1, 2 and 3 are for the left lane - with exit 3 being shared with right lane. And exit 4 (and 180 degrees) being the right lane.

 

Or which exit is the exit (or exits) that is supposed to be indicated by the straight arrow in the left and right lane?





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  #2672127 12-Mar-2021 07:30
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jarledb:

 

The Waikato Police states:

 

"***ANSWER***
The right answer is: the right lane. With a roundabout like this one, if you want to exit it at either one of the first two exits you enter the roundabout in the left lane. If you want to exit at either of the last two exits you enter the roundabout in the right lane. Remember to indicate clearly so that other people know what your intentions are. If you are unsure, always follow the guidelines provided by the road signage and markings."

 

 

 

Still the markings look like this:

 

 

I have gone through that roundabout quite a few times and have always choose the left lane. Made sense to me, and the markings show that you could take either left or right lane to go straight in this roundabout.

 

It is not super clear that it has as many exits as it does, or any clear markings that would make it obvious you are supposed to choose the right lane here IMHO.

 

 

To add some context the signage approaching the roundabout makes it clear how many exists there are and what lane you should use.

 

 

 

 

One of the biggest problems I see with roundabouts (and having driven around Hamilton in recent years it's something I have really noticed there) is a real lack of consistency with roundabout markings on multi lane roundabouts.

 

If you look at this other big roundabout nearby you're required to use the left lane for straight through traffic.

 


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