RUCs to apply to all vehicles (incl EVs), replacing road user tax on petrol

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#3231334 16-May-2024 15:05

johno1234:

Not funny if you think i through.

Most diesel owners top up RUC in large amounts infrequently so the $12 is neither here nor there. I usually get either 5000 or 10000km at $76/1000km so I don't care about $12 against a $380 or $760 fee. The issue is people with no money who will top up their tank with $20. If they top up their RUC at the same time say 200km that the tank is good for they pay $15 for the actual RUC mileage and $12 for the admin fee. Massive punishment for purchasing in small lots. No way around it with the windscreen labels.

Sounds like people will very quickly learn to budget

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#3231335 16-May-2024 15:05

JPNZ:

mattwnz:

Technology should be making admin costs a lot cheaper anyway, especially when things are often now self service and automated. The fees are a legacy from when it wasn't as automated and pre internet.

I'd like to know how automated the process inside NZTA is, whether the label goes from being printed to envelope to post via automation or how much of the process involves human work

Automation with expensive machinery or low price labour - it is still very expensive to get millions upon millions of labels procured, printed, stuffed into envelopes, transported to the post office and eventually delivered.

And what benefit is there to these labels? Apart from being a reminder to the car owner about expiry - nil.

johno1234

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#3231336 16-May-2024 15:06

JPNZ:

johno1234:

Not funny if you think i through.

Most diesel owners top up RUC in large amounts infrequently so the $12 is neither here nor there. I usually get either 5000 or 10000km at $76/1000km so I don't care about $12 against a $380 or $760 fee. The issue is people with no money who will top up their tank with $20. If they top up their RUC at the same time say 200km that the tank is good for they pay $15 for the actual RUC mileage and $12 for the admin fee. Massive punishment for purchasing in small lots. No way around it with the windscreen labels.

Sounds like people will very quickly learn to budget

Wow. Just wow.

JPNZ

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#3231337 16-May-2024 15:07

johno1234:

And what benefit is there to these labels? Apart from being a reminder to the car owner about expiry - nil.

A very quick glance from a parking warden?

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#3231338 16-May-2024 15:08

johno1234:

Most diesel owners top up RUC in large amounts infrequently so the $12 is neither here nor there. I usually get either 5000 or 10000km at $76/1000km so I don't care about $12 against a $380 or $760 fee. The issue is people with no money who will top up their tank with $20. If they top up their RUC at the same time say 200km that the tank is good for they pay $15 for the actual RUC mileage and $12 for the admin fee. Massive punishment for purchasing in small lots. No way around it with the windscreen labels.

AFAIK the minimum RUC block that can be purchased is 1,000km so not quite as bad as your example claims but still unfairly weighted towards the less wealthy.

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#3231339 16-May-2024 15:09

JPNZ:

Sounds like people will very quickly learn to budget

Let them eat cake?

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#3231341 16-May-2024 15:11

JPNZ:

A very quick glance from a parking warden?

They have ANPR cars they drive past now. Too unsafe for wardens on foot.

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#3231342 16-May-2024 15:11

JPNZ:

mattwnz:

Technology should be making admin costs a lot cheaper anyway, especially when things are often now self service and automated. The fees are a legacy from when it wasn't as automated and pre internet.

I'd like to know how automated the process inside NZTA is, whether the label goes from being printed to envelope to post via automation or how much of the process involves human work

It's not just the purchase process. There are a raft of costs to running the entire RUC system that are not separately funded, this includes maintaining and enhancing IT systems, processing refunds, auditing and non-compliance actions, agency network, and I am sure a lot more.

I can't recall where I saw it, but have a vague recollection of a cost of something like $2M+ in producing and sending labels each year. This is a massive cost that a digital platform can remove.

Putting all vehicles into RUC will be a massive undertaking, I doubt the current system is set up to manage the volumes so things will have to be changed. I can only assume the fee's will change as well.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

JPNZ

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#3231343 16-May-2024 15:14

richms:

They have ANPR cars they drive past now. Too unsafe for wardens on foot.

Perhaps in your city but I see human parking wardens most weeks in Christchurch.

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#3231349 16-May-2024 15:25

HarmLessSolutions:

johno1234:

Most diesel owners top up RUC in large amounts infrequently so the $12 is neither here nor there. I usually get either 5000 or 10000km at $76/1000km so I don't care about $12 against a $380 or $760 fee. The issue is people with no money who will top up their tank with $20. If they top up their RUC at the same time say 200km that the tank is good for they pay $15 for the actual RUC mileage and $12 for the admin fee. Massive punishment for purchasing in small lots. No way around it with the windscreen labels.

AFAIK the minimum RUC block that can be purchased is 1,000km so not quite as bad as your example claims but still unfairly weighted towards the less wealthy.

That is the case now but when RUC applies to all vehicles that could change.

ezbee

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#3231357 16-May-2024 15:38

You forgo a low overhead, pay as you go collection system for fueled vehicles that's impossible to escape.
One that gives immediate feedback on your choices re vehicles fuel economy and use in favor of.

I expect NZTA will learn more about % debt collectors charge for their services.
Learn more about court costs to pursue people with few assets, and $10 a month court judgements.
Social welfare will also learn more about people that have no public transport route to work.

Fortunately there are always higher administration fees to make up shortfall for everyone else. :-)

Looking at how fast a TESLAbot can fold shirts.
Hopefully old world automation is much faster for filling envelopes. :-)

HarmLessSolutions

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#3231358 16-May-2024 15:38

johno1234:

That is the case now but when RUC applies to all vehicles that could change.

A lot of things are prone to change but it's not worth losing sleep over 'ifs' and 'ands' in the meantime.

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johno1234

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#3231359 16-May-2024 15:44

HarmLessSolutions:

johno1234:

That is the case now but when RUC applies to all vehicles that could change.

A lot of things are prone to change but it's not worth losing sleep over 'ifs' and 'ands' in the meantime.

If they don't change, and they don't find a way to solve the $12 admin fee issue then the whole plan to add RUC to all vehicles is doomed. It lives or dies on compliance by an overwhelmingly large majority of drivers.

Therefore it will almost certainly change.

RUKI

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#3231479 16-May-2024 21:08

The one and only issue with RUC label I found was: free NZ Post' holster was bulky and ugly. So, attached the label with a narrow seal-it transparent stationary supply tape and ... it fell off overnight... Used transparent packaging tape instead and it worked :)

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#3233747 23-May-2024 11:53

One of my friends in California has signed up for an optional pilot to assess how to measure and charge for EV mileage

https://caroadcharge.com/about

There is a $400 prize in it!

https://caroadcharge.com/engage/contact-us-pilot/

It looks like you submit mileage and pay online.

Then you get a credit at the end.

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