RUCs to apply to all vehicles (incl EVs), replacing road user tax on petrol

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#3233837 23-May-2024 16:22

lchiu7:

One of my friends in California has signed up for an optional pilot to assess how to measure and charge for EV mileage

https://caroadcharge.com/about

There is a $400 prize in it!

https://caroadcharge.com/engage/contact-us-pilot/

It looks like you submit mileage and pay online.

Then you get a credit at the end.

But if you are not in the trial you continue as normal and don't pay anything? ,

Damn right I'd want a reward for actually paying real $$$ in road user charges when regular EV drivers were not....

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#3233854 23-May-2024 17:22

wellygary:

lchiu7:

One of my friends in California has signed up for an optional pilot to assess how to measure and charge for EV mileage

https://caroadcharge.com/about

There is a $400 prize in it!

https://caroadcharge.com/engage/contact-us-pilot/

It looks like you submit mileage and pay online.

Then you get a credit at the end.

But if you are not in the trial you continue as normal and don't pay anything? ,

Damn right I'd want a reward for actually paying real $$$ in road user charges when regular EV drivers were not....

It's a prelude to implementation of a system I think. From what my friend says it will be post paid system, not prepaid.

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#3233867 23-May-2024 17:44

I may be a bit late, but I am also in favor of all road registered vehicles paying RUCs. We all use the roads, I think it's unfair that only petrol and diesel cars pay either at the pump or via RUCs and EVs can use our roads for free.

Yes, I am bias to petrol cars and engines purely because I love the sound of a nice sounding car and think engines are works of art but in a general non bias view, anything that uses the road and is a road registered vehicle, should pay to use the roads.

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#3233870 23-May-2024 18:00

Chills:

I may be a bit late, but I am also in favor of all road registered vehicles paying RUCs. We all use the roads, I think it's unfair that only petrol and diesel cars pay either at the pump or via RUCs and EVs can use our roads for free.

Yes, I am bias to petrol cars and engines purely because I love the sound of a nice sounding car and think engines are works of art but in a general non bias view, anything that uses the road and is a road registered vehicle, should pay to use the roads.

Nobody on this thread thinks EVs should not pay RUCs. Just that all vehicles should pay RUCs, and if they aren't going to do that then at least the RUCs should not be priced in such a way as to incentivise more petrol vehicles.

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#3233881 23-May-2024 18:53

lchiu7:

wellygary:

But if you are not in the trial you continue as normal and don't pay anything? ,

Damn right I'd want a reward for actually paying real $$$ in road user charges when regular EV drivers were not....

It's a prelude to implementation of a system I think. From what my friend says it will be post paid system, not prepaid.

This might shed some light on what this is about Video link

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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#3234042 24-May-2024 08:23

SaltyNZ:

Just that all vehicles should pay RUCs, and if they aren't going to do that then at least the RUCs should not be priced in such a way as to incentivise more petrol vehicles.

Currently all vehicles do pay road user charges by way of petrol tax & RUC. In what way do you believe introducing RUC's for EV's has had a greater incentive to buy a petrol vehicle?

I thought any EV even with RUC's at 0.76c per 100 km its cheaper than a petrol car? Especially when you factor in maintenance and running costs.

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#3234054 24-May-2024 08:52

Seems crazy the admin fee is $12.44 for RUC yet the admin fee for rego is $7.53. Aren't they all printed on the same machine and posted out the same way?

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#3234065 24-May-2024 09:01

One week to go until the “grace period” for RUCs ends. I wonder how much of a rush there will be this week? At least you can print the pdf to keep you legal while the proper label arrives in the post. Although I did note that the ‘temporary’ label is only valid for 7 days and it took 9 days for my label to arrive in the post.

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#3234069 24-May-2024 09:15

I'm doing mine on Friday morning (well, probably Thursday night, as I won't be driving anywhere between then and Friday morning) and printing the label.

Don't care about the 7-day validity thing. I'll fight it if by some remote chance I'm ticketed for it before my label arrives in the post. I'm sure the police will be aware of the massive delay in getting labels because of everyone waiting till the last minute.

For my $12+ admin fee, they should be quicker. Crikey, if they sent me a printer and a whole lot of envelopes, I'd pack and post them for $5 each.

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#3234073 24-May-2024 09:26

trig42:

Don't care about the 7-day validity thing. I'll fight it if by some remote chance I'm ticketed for it before my label arrives in the post. I'm sure the police will be aware of the massive delay in getting labels because of everyone waiting till the last minute.

I wouldn't worry about the 7 day validity, at my work we have over 40 diesel vehicles and most snail mail RUC labels take well over 2 weeks to arrive to our PO box.

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#3234076 24-May-2024 09:28

JPNZ:

SaltyNZ:

Just that all vehicles should pay RUCs, and if they aren't going to do that then at least the RUCs should not be priced in such a way as to incentivise more petrol vehicles.

Currently all vehicles do pay road user charges by way of petrol tax & RUC. In what way do you believe introducing RUC's for EV's has had a greater incentive to buy a petrol vehicle?

I thought any EV even with RUC's at 0.76c per 100 km its cheaper than a petrol car? Especially when you factor in maintenance and running costs.

The disparity in RUCs paid is now primarily a result of highly fuel efficient vehicles and especially (non-plugin) hybrids whose low fuel usage sees them paying very low RUCs by way of the 82.5c (incl. GST) of National Land Transport Fund in the Fuel Excise Tax. The implementation of RUCs on EVs and PHEVs has now resulted in hybrids being the 'free loaders' insofar as their contribution to roading costs is concerned. Total running costs is a whole different argument and whichever way you slice it EVs will continue to win in this respect, for those that can charge at home.

The introduction of distance based RUCs on all vehicles, including those that use petrol, will level the playing field regarding contributions to roading costs but we aren't likely to see this for another parliamentary term or two. It is encouraging however to see the FBT regulatory system for double cab utes is presently under review by Revenue Minister Simon Watts so perhaps TPTB may yet surprise us on the RUC issue.

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#3234291 24-May-2024 13:52

Yep would have been more economical for me now to have purchased a non plug in hybrid instead of PHEV.
Don't mind paying RUC to contribute, but they've incentivised higher emissions vehicle options in the way this has been calculated and rolled out.

Anyone know where they get the address to post this out?
Not an issue in my case but I don't recall entering a street address during the RUC purchase process.
Reminder to keep your registration address details up to date I guess.

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#3234295 24-May-2024 14:03

Dingbatt:

One week to go until the “grace period” for RUCs ends. I wonder how much of a rush there will be this week? At least you can print the pdf to keep you legal while the proper label arrives in the post. Although I did note that the ‘temporary’ label is only valid for 7 days and it took 9 days for my label to arrive in the post.

I have a new hobby now. As I walk along the city streets, I peer at any car which is a EV or PHEV to see if it has the RUC sticker :-)

I certainly see quite a few with no stickers, yet.

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#3234302 24-May-2024 14:13

Stu:

Seems crazy the admin fee is $12.44 for RUC yet the admin fee for rego is $7.53. Aren't they all printed on the same machine and posted out the same way?

I just had a thought as I opened an envelope here at work with 3 RUC labels in it. Since last month RUC labels have been arriving with a matching clear window pocket. Most likely because all EV's will need the extra pocket. Perhaps the higher admin fee includes the pouch over the standard admin fee for a rego that never comes with a pouch?

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#3234304 24-May-2024 14:21

Jaxson:
Anyone know where they get the address to post this out?
Not an issue in my case but I don't recall entering a street address during the RUC purchase process.
Reminder to keep your registration address details up to date I guess.

I wondered that too. I'd just received my registration so I was less concerned.

Prior to entering your name and plate it says:

Changed your mailing address or email? Update your address first so we send the RUC labels to the right place. Make sure we've got your email address so we can email your payment confirmation.

It seems the vehicle is associated with a person (driver's licence), and the person has an address, and that's where it goes. For privacy reasons, they won't show the name or address, but it would be nice if they told you. I'm not sure how it works for companies. At least with the registration, you're usually working with a notice they sent to you.

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