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#2103896 9-Oct-2018 13:08

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Honestly, I'm constantly surprised how cheap petrol actually is, when compared to other products. When you think about what goes on to get it to your vehicle. The surveying, the set up costs & drilling, the refining, the transport, the storage, all the extra precautions you need to take at each stage because it has a tendency to catch on fire and explode, all before the sales to consumer in a very spread out network. On top of that, we know for a fact that (a) it's finite; (b) it's screwing our planet; and (c) there are other good options.

All that and petrol still works out to be about the price of a litre of coke or milk (or thereabouts), even including the $1 or so per litre the government charges in tax.

High volume revenue, there are not many poor Oil companies. The top four have combined annual revenue totalling circa $US1601Billion.

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#2103897 9-Oct-2018 13:11

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Geektastic: Gull surely have no effect below Masterton where I think their most southerly outlet is?

The average price of 91 in Masterton is currrently $2.31 per litre, Greytown $2.31, Martinborough $2.33 and in Wellington it is $2.47 per litre. It would appear that Gull is influencing pricing in Wairarapa

Possibly but 91 isn't something I'd run a decent engine on. 98 is $2.52.

I used 91 as example only. The average price of 98 in Wellington is $2.65 and 95 is $2.57.

Also the type of fuel an engine is set to use has nothing to do with the quality of the engine.

Indirectly it does in so far as more expensive vehicles which usually have more sophisticated and complex engines are often required in owner's manuals etc to use 95 upwards, using 91 only when no other choice is available occasionally.

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#2103902 9-Oct-2018 13:19

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Indirectly it does in so far as more expensive vehicles which usually have more sophisticated and complex engines are often required in owner's manuals etc to use 95 upwards, using 91 only when no other choice is available occasionally.

Complex and quality don't necessarily go together. A Toyota Corrolla uses 91 but it is a rock solid engine which is a by word for reliability and quality.

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#2103906 9-Oct-2018 13:22

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The point is that it will be the poorest members of the community who are going to be hardest hit. When food prices go up, who gets hungry first?

What makes you think they would improve the well served areas instead of the poorly served areas? Are you on the planning committee?

I guess I must have been confused by the Greens campaigning for rail to the North Shore last year despite the North Shore already having rapid transit and no one else having it yet.

Or that the Council website about Light Rail mentions it's a 'Auckland Central' project and literally nothing about the North-Western line.

Or that additional services on the new CRL running pattern will stop at Henderson, despite the Council consenting thousands of houses at Huapai, Riverhead and Westgate.

Or the fact there's no train services at all past Swanson even though the line could be run all the way out to where all these new houses are going in.

Or that the Hobsonville Ferry still doesn't have any weekend services at all and stops after 6:15pm on weekdays.

Or that the inner city suburbs have 'special character' designation so that Ponsonby and Grey Lynn don't get the same infill housing that the rest of the city is expected to accommodate.

Looking back on it, I can't imagine how I got that idea at all.

If you have issues with the planning, complain to your MP and the Auckland Council. Or NZTA. Or Auckland Transport. Have you done that yet? What did you suggest to them? What was their reply?

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#2103908 9-Oct-2018 13:29

MikeB4:

Complex and quality don't necessarily go together. A Toyota Corrolla uses 91 but it is a rock solid engine which is a by word for reliability and quality.

What a snakes and ladders argument lol. Don't even start it. There is no direct comparison.

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#2103913 9-Oct-2018 13:32

MikeB4:

sxz:

Honestly, I'm constantly surprised how cheap petrol actually is, when compared to other products. When you think about what goes on to get it to your vehicle. The surveying, the set up costs & drilling, the refining, the transport, the storage, all the extra precautions you need to take at each stage because it has a tendency to catch on fire and explode, all before the sales to consumer in a very spread out network. On top of that, we know for a fact that (a) it's finite; (b) it's screwing our planet; and (c) there are other good options.

All that and petrol still works out to be about the price of a litre of coke or milk (or thereabouts), even including the $1 or so per litre the government charges in tax.

High volume revenue, there are not many poor Oil companies. The top four have combined annual revenue totalling circa $US1601Billion.

Like the Coca-Cola Company?

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#2103926 9-Oct-2018 14:29

Coil:

GV27:

SaltyNZ:

The point is that it will be the poorest members of the community who are going to be hardest hit. When food prices go up, who gets hungry first?

What makes you think they would improve the well served areas instead of the poorly served areas? Are you on the planning committee?

I guess I must have been confused by the Greens campaigning for rail to the North Shore last year despite the North Shore already having rapid transit and no one else having it yet.

That bus lane was only linked to the rest of the network with a real schedule a few weeks ago. Before that it was a pointless ghost town.
I've never used it apart from when going north on the intercity..
Finally Akoranga is the central point for Devonport/Takapuna and the suburbs across the motorway.. So that means I can get to the city or Albany on two busses instead of 3-4.

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Interesting that you think the northern busway was a pointless ghost town,

Ive been a regular user of it for a number of years and it is anything but. With over 5 million trips per year across the busway.

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#2104006 9-Oct-2018 16:16

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I think you will find there is a little more than 3.5C of additional tax in AKL region since then. This is the gripe.. I was more than happy paying 2.39 for 95 in whangarei on the weekend, Not 2.64 in AKL.

Sorry, I was just too slow with my edit.

I think this makes Jacinda's point. Gull New North Rd and Mobil Sandringham Rd were both at $2.30 this morning (as I sailed past on the bus). Meanwhile you're paying $2.64 somewhere else in Auckland. How is this the government's fault, and not a failure of competition?

Afaik Coil's car is running on 95/98 which you don't see posted up much (if at all?). I paid $2.599 on my last fuel up for 95 in central Auckland (the highest I've paid in my current car). The lowest I've paid is $2.099 in the past 12 months. That's a 24% increase.

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#2104014 9-Oct-2018 16:32

MikeB4:

Makes me wonder in 2012 the price of crude was circa $US109.45 per barrell, the price of petrol in NZ was $NZ2.04 per litre . Crude 2018 is circa $US69.40 per barrell and petrol is circa $NZ2.44

Guessing the big difference it the exchange rate and the new taxes that have been added. Plus perhaps all the new heath and safety and compliance costs that have come in. .

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#2104017 9-Oct-2018 16:36

Peppery:

allio:

Coil:

I think you will find there is a little more than 3.5C of additional tax in AKL region since then. This is the gripe.. I was more than happy paying 2.39 for 95 in whangarei on the weekend, Not 2.64 in AKL.

Sorry, I was just too slow with my edit.

I think this makes Jacinda's point. Gull New North Rd and Mobil Sandringham Rd were both at $2.30 this morning (as I sailed past on the bus). Meanwhile you're paying $2.64 somewhere else in Auckland. How is this the government's fault, and not a failure of competition?

Afaik Coil's car is running on 95/98 which you don't see posted up much (if at all?). I paid $2.599 on my last fuel up for 95 in central Auckland (the highest I've paid in my current car). The lowest I've paid is $2.099 in the past 12 months. That's a 24% increase.

And since the start of the year US crude is up 26% plus the NZD is down 9.8%. Thats a theoretical 36% increase in the price of your fuel. So far you're doing very well.

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#2104038 9-Oct-2018 17:24

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Possibly but 91 isn't something I'd run a decent engine on. 98 is $2.52.

Depends really. My 2014 Camry uses 91. My 26 year old Honda Civic uses 98. But the Civic has quite a lot more power than the Camry. And that's what the engine builder told me to use.
Other than that use whatever it says to in the manual.

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#2104065 9-Oct-2018 18:25

mudguard:

Geektastic:

Possibly but 91 isn't something I'd run a decent engine on. 98 is $2.52.

Depends really. My 2014 Camry uses 91. My 26 year old Honda Civic uses 98. But the Civic has quite a lot more power than the Camry. And that's what the engine builder told me to use.
Other than that use whatever it says to in the manual.

I simply run my car on what the manufacture recommends.

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#2104070 9-Oct-2018 18:36

mudguard:

Geektastic:

Possibly but 91 isn't something I'd run a decent engine on. 98 is $2.52.

Depends really. My 2014 Camry uses 91. My 26 year old Honda Civic uses 98. But the Civic has quite a lot more power than the Camry. And that's what the engine builder told me to use.
Other than that use whatever it says to in the manual.

where would you find 98 fuel 26 years ago?

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#2104091 9-Oct-2018 19:23

Batman:

where would you find 98 fuel 26 years ago?

Japan I assume.

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#2104135 9-Oct-2018 20:58

Batman:

mudguard:

Geektastic:

Possibly but 91 isn't something I'd run a decent engine on. 98 is $2.52.

Depends really. My 2014 Camry uses 91. My 26 year old Honda Civic uses 98. But the Civic has quite a lot more power than the Camry. And that's what the engine builder told me to use.
Other than that use whatever it says to in the manual.

where would you find 98 fuel 26 years ago?

The civic would have been extensively modified in it's lifetime (perhaps recently). One of the common mods to get more power out of an engine is to up the compression by shaving the block.

This requires higher octane fuel to avoid knocking.

Octanes 98 and much higher have been available in motorsport & aviation circles for a long time.

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